Sam's in Tank Mode
I know Sam Smith's most recent column may be used as fodder by some to point that even the venerable sweater vested-one thinks Hinrich's got to go. I wanted to jump the pass on that one to point out that Sam seemed to just be throwing shit against the wall. About the only thing I'd take seriously from Sam's column is when he indiscreetly wrote, "I told you so."
I think back to October, after the Bulls' last exhibition game when all seemed so positive. Though I'd been equally optimistic and assured everyone the Bulls were on the upswing, I had my doubts and wrote about the team seeming joyless, bothered by some unseen, heavy burden.After basking in the glory of being right, Sam offers what he thinks the Bulls should do. First he mentions the idea of the Grizzlies drafting Derrick Rose and, subsequently, making Mike Conley available. I doubt he really believes this. I'm not going to go into if Rose and Conley could share the backcourt because I just don't know anything about Rose. Wake me up the day after the Lottery drawing and maybe I'll bother to find out. If one of us had e-mailed Sam this idea, he would have shot it down and belittled the sender. Memphis has plenty of young PG's and aren't going to draft a guy who played for the local U to appease the fans who still won't show up anyways.
Sam's next stop is at the idea of acquiring Gilbert Arenas. He mentions packaging the likes of Hinrich, Gooden, and Thomas to get Arenas and then proceeds to trash Arenas for his refusal to play D. He at least mentions that Hughes had his best seasons playing next to Arenas. If he were actually the Bulls GM, I seriously doubt that he would pursue this avenue. I think he realizes that Paxson would not go after a player who's well outside the "shut up and play" mold he'd prefer. Coming off such a dysfunctional season, I have an even more difficult time seeing Paxson go down this road. Which is a shame, because Arenas would be a nice upgrade in the backcourt.
After reading this column, all I could picture was Sam being begged by his editor to leave the readers with something about the future of the Bulls. Sam then followed up with a half assed attempt at doing so. Which is truly ironic when you take into account Sam's dismissal of tanking.
But the game transcends any individual or team benefit, and you never should embarrass it by failing to give your best. Play it out and get what you deserve.I'll finish with my favorite line in the column. This is truly Sam at his cynical best and I wish I'd stopped reading after this. I'll miss Sam at the Trib. It won't be the same without him.
I could answer, "Nothing," because they're in the grip of a thrilling playoff race with Friday's do-or-die game against the Atlanta No-Screeners. In this we-want-to-pretend-like-there's-still-a-season-going-on race so you'll read the newspaper, Friday probably ranks as the must-not-lose-yet-again game, with the Hawks eighth in the East and three games ahead.FanPosts are user-created posts from the BlogABull community, and are to be treated as the opinions and views of that particular user, not that of the blogger or blog community as a whole.
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If Memphis has the #1 overall
I read the Smith column on the train this morning and it's hard to read it and not consider that he's already placed one foot on Michigan Ave and the other foot is still inside the Tribune Tower.
Has anyone talked to Skiles about the Bulls since he was fired? Where is Skiles? He's one person I really want to hear from on our team. We're still paying him. Can we get an interview?
by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 9:17 AM CDT 0 recs
This was actually Sam's last column for the Trib
by snley on
Mar 28, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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I can't believe the Trib hired a football guy
by hscs on
Mar 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Wow, talk about wishful thinking
by snley on
Mar 28, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Do you think Sam was just ready to go
My sense is that the latter was definitely a factor, and I find myself harboring more than a small amount of resentment towards Zell.
by alec on
Mar 28, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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And the Michael David Smith award goes to...
by hscs on
Mar 28, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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damn
by hscs on
Mar 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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Glad to see you're up and about.
As I'm sure you know, its common practice in statistics to throw out the extremes.
Parrotman mentions both Deron Williams and Chris Paul as bucking the trend--and certainly, being two of the most highly regarded players at their position, they could reasonably be considered as extremes. As such, one could make a valid statistical argument for throwing out their numbers.
But even if one were to throw out their numbers, it would still be reasonable to conjecture about the basis for the statistical anomaly. Any ideas?
I realize I'm asking you to contribute more than a pithy one or two sentence "that's below my dignity" type of response. But I'm assuming you think about these things--when the statistical numbers don't match up with expectations.
by alec on
Mar 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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there isn't a trend to be bucked
I really don't comprehend how adjusted plus-minus works, but I follow the explanations for non-mathematically inclined people. Parrotman thinks PER is a shabby measurement of offense, and makes things up, so whatever. That's what I'm not going to respond to (unless I feel like it).
by hscs on
Mar 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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PER is a fine offensive measurement
by bullshooter on
Mar 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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I think Sam was ready to go, but Zell's presence
by snley on
Mar 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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I think Sam's been dropping hints
by alec on
Mar 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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What is this story?
by NBA Observer on
Mar 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Skiles is too classy for that
Does anyone really care if Skiles thinks the spacing and energy wasn't there this season?
by hscs on
Mar 28, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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Plus, he may be contractually bound
But I agree with you; he doesn't seem like the type to, as People would put it, "kiss and tell."
by alec on
Mar 28, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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LOL
As far as the Bulls, I think everyone's just throwing shit against the wall at this point. With their crappy play, lack of leadership and horrible coaching it's very difficult to look at this team and figure out what the right moves to make are.
You also have major problems in the moves you can make. Just to summarize a few for consideration, here's what we've got to work with:
* Gordon and Deng are RFAs, so they can't be traded unless they agree to a new contract with the new team. They'll likely be BYC then and a deal is difficult. They can't negotiate contracts until after the draft, so the Bulls can't agree to trade them to Team X for their 08 draft pick or anything like that.
So if we eventually trade one of them, we're likely either getting an 09 pick (no immediate help) and/or players someone else is willing to give up.
- Tyrus will be tradeable, but I doubt anyone gives up much of value for him. We'd probably be lucky to get a mid-round pick. Maybe we could use him in a sign and trade with Gordon and/or to get rid of Noc for an expiring contract.
- Gooden, Hinrich, Noah and Thabo are probably tradeable to some extent, but again nobody's going to give up Derrick Rose for those sorts of guys.
- Hughes is a net negative.
- We've got our pick, which might be sort of nice, though I haven't figured out what's really good in this draft, if anything.
by Sports2 on Mar 28, 2008 9:39 AM CDT 0 recs
and no mention of the front office?
I wanted Mark Cuban to buy the Cubs, but now I want him to buy the Bulls. We have to have a staff of multimedia personnel. This cannot be real that if we do have one it's not enough to provide individual video for the roster.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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I nominate you as box-out video coordinator
It's Doug Thonus, btw.
The video seems like a coaching staff thing. I doubt they don't have it available (or could), but I'll speculate that the coaches don't think it's as important as the mentioned players do.
The Bulls aren't known as cheap when it comes to that sort of thing. And someone here pointed out that one of the video scouting services had their first NBA client as the Bulls.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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You'll love my Bulls summer project
Lots of web 2.0 stuff involved. Maybe the acronym can even be tweaked to communicate the purpose.
If we're all operating in the "side project" of Markos Moulitisas Zuniga we might as well start adopting the grassroots up model reform model.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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As the person who pointed out the video service
And it's worth mentioning again that the beat writers refer to the coaches and players having film sessions as part of practice or instead of practice on a fairly regular basis.
I think Doug got spinned a negative view point to something that's actually positive - players doing something on their own to improve their performance. In the long run, it's almost always up to the player to get better themselves. Coaches can't take those shots for them, or do the drill work for them.
by KT on
Mar 28, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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Not sure about that KT
Sure, it's a positive that the players addressed things themselves, but that seems like a real effort to spin a negative into a positive itself. ;) The players were in a position to "respond to adversity" because the organization left them in an adverse position.
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 6:55 AM CDT
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and David Stern is busy fixing the playoffs
by hscs on
Mar 29, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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I'm not as smart as you
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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I disagree with your disagreement
by hscs on
Mar 29, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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change my subject
Nothing wrong with having an opinion.
by hscs on
Mar 29, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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I was just following on what KT said
As I understand it:
- The podcast basically said "the Bulls don't provide video so Noah had to do it himself".
- KT came along and said that's a negative take on the situation, because the Bulls do provide video, and we should be looking at this favorably because Noah went out and did something to improve on his own.
- Noah trying to improve on his own is a good thing
- It's relieving to know the Bulls do have video, film sessions and whatnot.
... she also seems to be saying the Bulls never replaced the video guy who went off to become an scout when an assistant moved into a more hands on role and another assistant (Boylan) moved on to become the head coach.
In essence, the Bulls decided to go light and not replace the video guy when everyone moved into new jobs.
That's the negative I'm pointing out, and my guess is that it's why we see the "positive" of Noah using his own resources to get it done.
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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It's just not that easy to replace some guys
I'm sure the video person will be replaced in the off season. I think Pax's priority was a big man coach. (And Skiles not wanting a big man coach was a barrier to having one - having a coach that the head coach doesn't want is just another cause of friction on any team).
A lot of people they might want are under contract to other teams, just as the possible new head coach is. Why limit you're hiring pool? I bet Pax had Michael Brown in mind as one of the possible big men coaches even prior to this season.
I work in project teams - when someone leaves by choice or by firing in the middle of the project, getting a replacement in and up to speed slows everything down. I can imagine that could be the case in a sports team, too.
Just as a side note, if you see someone behind the bench with a lap top, that's the video guy. He's got film of the opposing team available for the coach to see, and probably film of previous matchups to show on demand.
by KT on
Mar 29, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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Good points
And I'm sure the Bulls, like every team, have a pretty big library already.
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 7:12 PM CDT
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K Love is good in this draft
And every time I play the Draft Lottery game on ESPN.com now, it has the Bulls selecting him!
I can't wait till draft day already!
by Option27 on
Mar 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Sam has said many times that he likes Kirk
I'm going to miss Sam. I know he'll still be out there doing some stuff, but I'll miss the Ask Sam column and the dedication to the Bulls.
by wjb1492 on Mar 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT 0 recs
K-Love & Gilbert in - Kirk/BG & Tyrus out
by Jesse07 on Mar 28, 2008 12:08 PM CDT 0 recs
Thoughts on Gil
- Reinsdorf has preached a defense-first approach in his recent interview with KC Johnson.
- Arenas is listed at the same height as Ben Gordon, and the Bulls would probably want to avoid a short, scoring guard who plays no defense.
- Multiple knee surgeries/procedures: Even if you argue that Arenas is a star whereas Gordon is only "pretty good", the difference was that Arenas had an explosiveness that Gordon didn't have. This is now questionable with Arenas coming off of knee problems (and not for the first time in his career).
- Arenas' approach to keeping teammates happy on the court is to shoot first, but to also get his teammates their required number of touches. But to do this (as he has acknowledged on his blog), Arenas has to be in an up-tempo system. It's doubtful the Bulls will hire a coach who will adopt an up-tempo system.
by bullhockey on
Mar 28, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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The Chairman should just never speak
He pays Paxson to do the personnel, whatever 'philosophy' he may suggest. I wouldn't worry about it.
Granted, if Reinsdorf is paying someone a max salary he may suggest that he plays both sides of the court, but it's ultimately Paxson's call. (as good as that sounds anymore...)
Gordon/Hinrich/Tyrus is a pretty nice haul for Washington, IMO. Hinrich/Gordon/Butler/Jamison(resigned)/Haywood, with Stevenson, Thomas(es), Daniels, Blatche, Young. Not bad. They may be tax-concious though, and with Gordon+Hinrich would make more than a maxed-out Arenas, and Jamison is a free-agent, they may not do it, or try to pawn off a long term salaried bench guy on the Bulls (Songaila, the poet, Daniels)
And maybe I'm still the same idiot who overvalued some of the Bulls in a possible Bryant deal, but that's a lot to give up.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 28, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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about ...
i call this my chicago bulls investment strategy.
the bulls have me on speed dial to be the next GM.
by leeac on
Mar 28, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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The Bulls already play up-tempo
07-08 11th
06-07 6th
05-06 5th
04-05 11th
Wizards pace rankings
07-08 27th
06-07 5th
05-06 7th
04-05 5th
Interesting to see that huge difference for the Wiz. There may be something to what Arenas says. While I doubt he'd come to the Bulls for other reasons, I don't think pace of play would be such a deterrent.
by snley on
Mar 28, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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i think that the wizards
by Mike C on
Mar 28, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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Arenas
All said, I would like Arenas. He might be the "superstar" we needed to pull ourselves over the edge.
That said, PAX!!!! TRADE FOR MAYO!!!!
by blackmage71 on
Mar 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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I just can't read a post
Here's a newsflash, Rose and Conley play the same position. I have no idea who is better, but Rose is among the top 2 rater players in college. Memphis will likely have the 2nd pick. Which means they may be looking to make a trade. Not rocket science.
The column was fine, in the mode of all his other columns. The point of this post was?
by danger mouse on Mar 28, 2008 2:11 PM CDT 0 recs
As much I as I may disagree with him, I would
The reason I don't know anything about Rose is that I really don't care about NCAA basketball this season and have, consequently, watched very little. Unlike some here, I won't offer opinions on players or topics I know nothing about. I know Rose is very highly regarded, but I don't know his playing style. If he's a good enough scorer, there's certainly the possibility he could play with Conley in the same back court. Players like Ben Gordon, Dwayne Wade, and Jay Williams were there teams' primary ball handlers in college and considered to be PG's but became SG's in the NBA.
by snley on
Mar 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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Rose is a PG
by NBA Observer on
Mar 28, 2008 3:28 PM CDT
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Rose is also a Chicago kid...
Not to mention the kid won two state championships. It just seems hard to fathom you've read sam smith since MJ was around and have never known much about Rose. Possible I guess.
It may be advisable to learn a bit about him because if we can get our hands on him we will. Look around the NBA at successful teams. Most have an outstanding point guard so we'll be looking hard at obtaining a TRUE PG.
by lexdiamonds0730 on
Mar 29, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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I have heard of Derrick Rose. I know the name.
I have not lived in Chicago for over 2 years, so I didn't hear much about him in high school. Even when I did live in Chicago, I was not part of the high school basketball "community." I was not from the area originally, had no particular rooting interest in any local high school, and had better things to do with my life than attempt to immerse myself in said community. Though I subscribed to the Trib the nine years I lived in Chicago and read the Sports section every day, I never used Preps Plus for anything but to wrap dishes when I moved.
When it comes to Derrick Rose, again I plead ignorance. It is intentional ignorance as, I have repeatedly written, do not care about high school sports and rarely watch college sports. I like the pros because they are the best of the best. Frankly, I wish more people would admit to their ignorance of certain topics and refrain from opining instead of making their ignorance obvious through statements like, "We'll be looking hard at obtaining a TRUE PG."
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
by snley on
Mar 29, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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But...
Thus, the whole scenario falls apart quickly. There's an 87% chance they get the #1 pick (in which case they take Beasley and it doesn't matter) or they get less than the #2 pick (in which case Rose is likely gone). So the premise is pretty shaky.
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 7:13 AM CDT
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By the way
by Sports2 on
Mar 29, 2008 7:14 AM CDT
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Many of us wrote our Sam eulogies
by alec on Mar 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT 0 recs









