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Bulls-Blazers postgame venting thread

They had a lineup at one point of Duhon/Gordon/Griffin/Noah/Wallace. Because there was a lead to protect, and Boylan be damned if they actually put a team away.

Ben Wallace, after 36 minutes the night before, played over 47 tonight. From the opening tip you could tell it was going to be one of those games where he just really didn't feel like jumping. He did come up with some big plays near the end of the 4th and overtime, but it just emphasized how he should be sitting more often and saved for those  spasms of competent play. Unfortunately Ben doesn't realize he's a corpse, so he's out chasing the ball at the 3 point line to make sure he was a step late on Lamarcus Aldridge jumpers.

(Uh oh, I said the secret word. Aldridge would be a good fit on this team, he shoots a lot of jumpers and doesn't rebound. In fact this Portland team is a lot like the Bulls in that it's just a bunch of jumpshooters and not much else. Except their defense isn't as good, and rebounding shouldn't be. Granted they were on the road and in the second of a back-to-back, but this looked like a team the Bulls should've blown out.)

Tyrus Thomas played 3 minutes, and was yanked for getting 2 fouls and getting hit in the mouth on the second of those, which was a pretty questionable call. He was promptly yanked, because you always yank a guy with 2 fouls even if he never plays enough minutes to foul out.

It's also in the NBA coaches handbook to never make substitutions in extra periods. They got you to that overtime, dag namit, you best make sure they are completely exhausted in that extra period, out of appreciation.

Games like this are why Nocioni has been called (by me, anyway) the dumbest player on the team. It's the intangibles that make him special, like leaving a 3 point shooter to rotate far too late on a Roy drive. See, Roy's passed the ball to the corner and Noc barely got touched, but damned if Noc didn't make sure to hit the deck anyway so he could watch the 3-pointer go in from the floor. It's that kind of thing that doesn't show up in the box score, no sir. Shooting 4-13 from the field does show up in the box score, however.

Speaking of our small forwards, Deng was hurt and missed the 2nd half (you could've said he missed the first with his performance). But why didn't Thabo dress?[sprained ankle -ed.] Why hasn't Griffin retired? Nothing says 'calming influence' like coming in committing 2 non-shooting fouls on Roy while the team's in the penalty. That dude is aloe he's so soothing.

An adage of hoops pundits is that a good team will get extra points at the end of periods. The Bulls suck at the end of periods, and games. Their plan is usually to give the ball to Ben Gordon and let him dribble a lot. Even if it's not the last possession and there's no incentive to run out the shot clock. And if you really want to add a wrinkle, send Ben Wallace out there to set a pick with 4 seconds left. Because that way your two options are Gordon shooting over two defenders, or a pass to Wallace 25 feet from the basket.

Chris Duhon: 1-6 in 26 minutes. And that 1 was on a goaltend. I especially liked waiting while the Blazers were on the ropes in the 3rd quarter to get Gordon in. We could've put them away with our real team out there, phew.

Joe Smith was the only true bright spot, but a reason that watching this team has become a joyless predictable exercise. They played Smith 45 minutes and relied on him (when not doing the patented Gordon play) to carry the team. And it's little coincidence that a team that needs Joe Smith to do this much is one that's this bad.

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Simply put
Perfect recap . . .

Everything I had thought, you wrote

by Option27 on Jan 3, 2008 11:24 PM CST   0 recs

I agree
I just got back from the game, and made a comment in the game thread, saying a few similar things to this..

by Jaina on Jan 3, 2008 11:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thabo was hurt
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080103chicagobullsbits,1,67080.st ory?coll=cs-home-headlines

Had a sprained right ankle.  

And I loved what Boylan said when comparing Aldridge and Thomas:

Thomas entered to solid applause at the 10:05 mark of the second quarter for Luol Deng, whose left Achilles tightened up. Thomas left shortly thereafter with a bloodied mouth.

Thomas finished with two points and one rebound.

"When he's around the basket and active on both ends blocking shots and attacking the glass, he's a very good player," Boylan said. "When he drifts out on the perimeter, that's not his game."

Boylan's assessment of Aldridge?

"Aldridge may be the best running big man in the league," he said. "He changes ends every single time and runs hard."

Best running big man in the league . . . hmm, you think Boylan might have been trying to send a message to Thomas there?

by Big D on Jan 3, 2008 11:39 PM CST   0 recs

Yup
If Tyrus really is that lazy, then the Bulls seriously fucked up taking him ahead of Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge.  If it has more to do with personality issues than effort, than the Bulls are idiots for not playing him more.  Either way, the Bulls are idiots, so take your pick.

by Big D on Jan 3, 2008 11:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And how, exactly, does all of that
hard running benefit Aldridge or Portland? I don't remember him getting any transition baskets? Or making any plays on defense in transition?

Fixating on a player's "effort" and "running" is, IMO, a sign that the speaker is incapable of evaluating the nuances of a basketball game.

"We goin' to the 'ship!" - LSU IS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 3, 2008 11:43 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I mean, hell, put me out there...
I'll run my ass off from end to end.

I can't do anything else, but I'll sprint.

It's just such an unsophisticated, primitive benchmark.

"We goin' to the 'ship!" - LSU IS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 3, 2008 11:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's reminds me of an moronic
football coach I once knew.

Instead of making any tactical adjustments, he would just exhort his team to play harder. He'd scream and carry on, pound tables, excoriate the team for being pansies, and generally acted as if he could will the team to victory with desire.

Well, desire doesn't mean much if the players aren't in the proper alignment, or if they are playing goal line defense against a spread offense, or if the blocking schemes aren't right.

At some point, you have to make adjustments other than improved effort. Generatin mindless frenetic energy isn't coaching, it's cheerleading.

OK, I'll let it go now. I hope Tyus runs home from the UC to demonstrate his dedication.

"We goin' to the 'ship!" - LSU IS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 3, 2008 11:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What's funny . . .
Is that Tyrus at half-speed is still faster than Aaron Gray running at full speed.

by Big D on Jan 3, 2008 11:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

speaking of
I guess Boylan gets the kudos for having Noah ahead of Gray in the rotation tonight after last night. Unfortunately Noah didn't do anything of note.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 12:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i was even thinking
maybe gray could score a few points against these stickmen in the 3rd. JP barely played in the 2nd half.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 4, 2008 9:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

the stickmen
were still holding their own on the boards too. It was pathetic.

BlogABull hall-of-famer Channing Frye even looked good.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 9:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

thats why Bulls lost
Blazers went to their athletic lineup with no size and lots of shooters and Bulls stick with Wallace and Smith too much, this was the perfect matchup for Thomas

I know Deng was out, but when you have Thomas and Thabo on bench that could match the lineup of Portland, its criminal to not use them

then to make matters worse the Gordon, Duhon, AG lineup was totally undersized and with Noah/Wallace it had no scorers other then Gordon (Duhon looked to past every time of course and AG should never have been out there to start with)

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 4, 2008 12:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

thanks for the info on Thabo
I updated the post.

I was holding out hope he was traded :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 11:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

More ruminations
I have another comparison.  AI:Philadelphia as ___:Chicago.  I wonder if Denver could use BG.  But who would we want from Denver?

As I mentioned in another thread, we are very constrained as to whom and when we can trade.  It shouldn't be too long before Pax(Reinsdorf, Matt?) has to decide between making the playoffs and player development.

by hlac on Jan 4, 2008 12:05 AM CST   0 recs

it's not mutual exclusion
Riding Wallace and Smith into the ground does neither for each outcome.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 12:08 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sooner or later (probably sooner)
Either Smith or Wallace will get hurt. Then, presumably, Boylan will have no choice but to play Tyrus.  Sad to say, that's all we have to look forward to at this point.

by vanillablue on Jan 4, 2008 12:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

This might just be a problem
that can be solved by jumping.  
"Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass." -George Raveling

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 2:22 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

::sniffles::
remember when we had that exciting young player?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 9:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bulls scored 40 in the 2nd half, btw
(just wanted to comment again to say how much I hate watching this team right now.)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 12:11 AM CST   0 recs

Ben Wallace's per-40 minute stats:
With Skiles: 5.2 PTS, 10.8 REB.
Since Skiles got fired: 5.6 PTS, 10.3 REB.

How long before we hear Stephen A. Smith or some other idiot on ESPN blather on about how Wallace is "rejuvenated" since Skiles got fired?  They'd better hurry, because Wallace is going to get hurt soon if he continues playing this many minutes.

by Big D on Jan 4, 2008 12:54 AM CST   0 recs

Uh....
Did anyone see Kirk Hinrich play tonight? When he wasnt busy getting schooled by Brandon Roy (who he had no business guarding in the first place) his shooting was ATROCIOUS. He must have missed the last 10 shots he took and most of em weren't even good shots. Ditto for Noce Luol Deng has no heart. Joe Smith scoring 30 points for any team is no good. And for all the people pining to trade Ben Gordon, if he wasnt on the team we wouldnt score 80 points a game.
Everyone is saying he is one dimensional but guess what he can hit shots when it counts. I think Gordon and Smith scored over half our points and the rest of the team shot something like 30 percent. We need to gut this team.

by alee7805 on Jan 4, 2008 1:25 AM CST   0 recs

Kirk did have his patented
dribble-to-the-elbow-with-all-of-your-teammates-behind-you -and-brick-a-jumper move

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 9:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wondered whether anyone else remembered that
or everyone had just blocked it from their memory.

I threw things at the wall when Kirk mistook a 1 on 4 for a 4 on 1 fast break.

Where's Tyrus?

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 4:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I would like to see
JamesOn and Thabo play together.

by eross226 on Jan 4, 2008 1:40 AM CST   0 recs

At least JamesOn
can do that "ball-into-basket" thing.  Which Duhon cannot.

by Freethefro on Jan 4, 2008 7:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nocioni Quotes
Asian Ace, where are you.

"I PUT BALL IN BASKET WHEN COACH TELL ME TO.  AFTER THROWING ELBOW THROUGH POSEY EYE SOCKET."

Where's Tyrus?

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 4:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

WTF, mates?
While watching the game tonight, my dad proposed that Duhon has dirt on everyone in the organization.  otherwise, his plethora or playing time wouldn't make sense.

I almost want Skiles back.  That's how bad losing tonight's game was.

Uf.  This is even more frustrating than getting blown out by shitty teams.  And why don't we not give the other team the last shot one of these days?

"Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass." -George Raveling

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 2:19 AM CST   0 recs

GENIUS!!!!
Im not sure why i never thought about that, the best way to prevent gordon from doing his jordan impression is probably to make sure that were up by two and the other team has to hit the final shot.....Seriously thats so simple it may work.

U rock dude! ( i am in no way being sarcastic, i truly think ure idea was genius, im wierd that way)

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 4, 2008 2:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Uh....
I think what I mean is that if you tie the game up on your last possession, as we did once in this game, it is easier to win if you don't give the other team the chance to have a possession.  If you don't make the shot, the game ends, but if you do, it's OT because they don't have a chance to retort.  This also was bad for Kirk fouling too early, and allowing 5 seconds for a possession.  This has been done numerous times in this and the orlando game.

I hope they win the next game, or else I think Bulls fandom might just rip all its hair out.

Where's Tyrus?

by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 3:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wake me at the trade deadline
The Bulls might not be the worst team in the league, but they just might be the most boring.  How's that for a cheeseball NBA.com lead-in for you?

Nevertheless: even in "exciting" double overtime games, they are painfully dull to watch.  An undersized, unathletic and poor-shooting team that tries to push the ball in transition.  A geezer frontcourt paired with a munchkin backcourt.  Andres Nocioni.

Bleh.

 

by Freethefro on Jan 4, 2008 7:04 AM CST   0 recs

My thoughts exactly
The only fun left is predicting the shitty play and then laughing at it when it occurs.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 9:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

well said
Now for my best joejoe imitation:

I hate Noce - he does two things:  flops and shoots...neither of them does he do right

I hate Du - he does nothing

I hate Wallace - he only plays when he feels like it.  I've never seen a player drop off so fast in a matter of two years.

I hate Hinrich - i'm sick of the media making excuses for him...he sucks, period.  His defense is average at best.  He can't make a shot when you need it...he's wack

I hate Boylan - how many times can you watch Noce fall down, be late on rotations, and take bad shots before you decide to pull him out?!?  DAMMIT play Tyrus!

I hate Paxson - he put all of this mess together, go fire yourself!

The play calling sucks, the rotations suck, the lineups suck, the coaching sucks...every freaking thing just sucks

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 8:47 AM CST   0 recs

Nocioni
seriously, he should be traded.  I no longer see the value to keeping him.  He acts like he completely forgot how to slash and drive.  ANYBODY can go out there and shoot threes all day, of which he hits none.  Damn, stop shooting!!

Would it kill him not to flop at least ONE time??  I saw the same play that Matt mentioned, where he just flopped to the floor (Roy barely touched him by the way) and he left the 3-point shooter wide open for a shot.  COME ON!  If he was where he needed to be, maybe that basket is never made.

Even the shots that he makes are bad shots, they just happen to fall in.  I counted ONE in-rhythm, "good" shot that he took last night.  The rest were long threes, off-balance shots, rushed shots, just terrible, terrible offense.

Two years ago he was the fiery guy that was intense and picked up the team on defense, and would knock down good shots when you needed it.  Now he's just out there flailing away with flopping, floundering and foolishness (try saying that 3 times fast).

I have no clue who they could get for him, I don't even care at this point, but I say trade him.  He's useless in my eyes.

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 8:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

If only his contract weren't 5 yrs long.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 4, 2008 9:02 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

but you looooooovvvee BG
the money player who can't seem to hold on to the ball at crucial moments in the game.  If you're going to rip people, rip them all, don't be a fanboi.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 9:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'll come out
and say it..I don't like Ben Gordon. He's a good scorer when he hits the shot but that's it. He thinks he's great and maybe that's why he's a turn off for me.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You and me both.
I like Ben Gordon because he can score in bunches, and this team obviously needs that, but I don't think he does much else. I don't dislike him for his lack of "clutch" or "stupidity", but just because I don't think he's good enough to be a primary scoring option.

If they could get a more "complete" scorer, I'd be all for it.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 4, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

complete scorer?
why does ben gordon get the blame when you have nocioni/hinrich shooting a lot and missing a lot (ie blazers game where they combined for less that 30 % shooting)

by alee7805 on Jan 4, 2008 5:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

true
i'm a BG guy, but HE was the reason (and Smith) they were in the game in the first place.  Yeah he jacked off the game with his bad turnover and compound foul at the end, but if not for his offense, they lose by even worse.

He is the only key player on the team who can offset his deficiencies with another aspect of his game...all those other people I mentioned can't.  When those other guys are struggling, they're just struggling.  At least even if he's getting beat on the defensive end, he can make up for it by hitting shots.

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 10:23 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

pretty sure
that meets the definition of fanboi.  When he's not scoring, what else does BG bring?  Most of those other guys bring something else.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 10:26 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

shooting is more important than other things
so the fact that he does that well has value. Especially for a team that can't score.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 10:28 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

sure shooting is important
who said it wasn't.  What I said was BG is just as flawed as anybody else on that team and you're a fanboi if you don't acknowledge it.  
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 10:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think people believe Gordon is flawless
but my point is that Gordon's flaws are less important because he makes up for it by shooting. And shooting is more important than rebounding, ballhandling, etc. (at least on a team level)

And especially on this team that can't score!

So he may have as many flaws as others, but his flaws aren't as important. Duhon not being able to score is far more detrimental of a flaw, for instance.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 10:39 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not trying to rip on BG
and I think he is a fantastic shooter, but his flaws are just as important and maybe more important than the others.  Unless of course, you're saying that in addition to not playing the first six minutes of each half, he shouldn't play the last 30 seconds.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

he can play the last 30 seconds
but the team has to run a play in that time. Not just give him the ball, and then for good measure bring over Wallace to give him more problems.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

A couple of
his flaws showed at the ends of the overtime games. I think that's pretty important.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 12:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bingo!
This year, it's very true that "BG giveth, and BG taketh away."  Watching him play is a constant flip-flop between extreme awe and extreme frustration.

He takes shot he shouldn't take, but he makes a large part of them.  Then he loses his guy on the defensive end a yields an open jumper.  He drives down the lane and beats a guy with a sick crossover for a lay-in.  Another time he picks up his dribble in a horrible spot and throws an awful up-for-grabs pass that's a turnover.

I mean, we wouldn't be in the game offensively without him, but he couldn't guard Jarret Jack or Steve Blake last night to save his life.  The Aldrige-Jack pick & pop killed the Bulls in OT.  Wallace kept switching out to Jack because Gordon couldn't get through the screen leaving Aldridge open.

Would we be in the position to need a last-second shot from BG if he played average NBA defense?  Especially when 20,000 people know at the end it's going to be BG and no other.

(Side note; I thought the Bulls switched this up brilliantly by going to Joe Smith at the end of the 2nd OT with the Bulls down 3 after the BG turnover.  Smith got fouled and his shot could have bounced in instead of out.  The FT would have tied it.  Who knows what would have happened).

It's just very difficult to quantify the sum of BG's contributions to the team because they are superlative on both ends of the the good-bad spectrum.  I don't think a team with BG as the primary go-to guy can truly contend until BG trusts a teammate enough to pass off for a game winning shot instead of taking it all on himself.

"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy

by mdmnd9294 on Jan 4, 2008 3:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Your statement is so true ...
"I don't think a team with BG as the primary go-to guy can truly contend until BG trusts a teammate enough to pass off for a game winning shot instead of taking it all on himself".

Still, the Bulls need reliable (one or two) good starters that can deliver when called upon with a pass from BG....

by exult463 on Jan 4, 2008 3:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

so what your saying is
you dont want Ben Gordon in at crunch time? who would be a better option? duhon?

by alee7805 on Jan 4, 2008 5:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying
I don't want him in at crunch time. I want another option for the last play. In the two overtimes BG has blown it in both at critical times.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 5:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

who said
that I didn't acknowledge his flaws...I DO.  I just chose not to type it earlier  :-)

Seriously though, I've said several times here that his defense sucks and that he turns the ball over too much...but who else is hitting shots??

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 10:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Lu, Noc, Smith
and even Kirk last game have been hitting their shots lately.  Go look at the box scores.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 10:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

last night
Lu 1-5

Noce 4-13

Kirk 5-18

Du 1-6

Wallce 4-11

wow, they were really on fire...

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 10:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Lu
was clearly hurting.  I knew the moment he took his first shot he looked off.

by Jaina on Jan 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

there are different degrees
of "flawed." Gordon doesn't do a lot of stuff well, but people tend to label him as sucky when adequate is the apt description. With the team pace and individual usage rates all screwy this season, I'm inclined to say the team-wide issues are way more whine-worthy than putting Gordon 4th quarter turnovers under the microscope.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 4, 2008 10:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you
and my point was to highlight fanboishness, not BG's flaw's, but there disturbing patterns and trends in his game and not pointing them out when listing all the other things that contributed to a painful loss is being a fanboi.  And I look over at the clock and realize I've wasted another morning arguing something completely irrelevant to anything important...  So I guess that makes me the big loser.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

well watching the Bulls
wastes our nights, so why not waste the mornings too :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 11:01 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

there are as many h8ters as fanbois
it's a push. The Gordon is too short/turnover amplification crowd is just as distasteful.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 4, 2008 11:08 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

doesn't make either of them right
just makes them more frequent commenters, which is probably worse.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The biggest problem with BG is not his height.
God knows I'd rather stand against you than with you, but I can't get myself round to the other side of your argument.  

All the issues people are counting against Gordon are really issues that should be counted against the Bulls as a team.  Their personnel deficiencies demand that Gordon play the role of Dwayne Wade, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Tony Parker--all last minute guys, but with the difference that they are outrageously incredible ball handlers who can get wherever they want on the court whenever they want.  Gordon is not one of those guys.  They are all superstars.   The fact that he fails in that role merely highlights the Bulls most glaring team defect.  

Don't hate on Ben.  It is misplaced.  Listen to what almost every other NBA player (maybe ignore former top 50 `greats') says about him.  He is a widely and highly respected player.  Ben is great at what he does.  It's the Bulls that are flawed.

by alec on Jan 4, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wish the coaching staff
realized that Gordon is most effective when put into a position where he can utilize his talents instead of forcing him to what he can't.

THe problem being they fall so in love with this shooting ability that they forget his limitations and the Bulls fall into the late game trap of Ben trying to be facilitator/scorer.

Case in point, 90 percent of the game the Bulls start the ball with Hinrich or Duh and then  run some sort screen to free up a player for a shot or one/one drive. Why do they keep relying on Ben to dribble out the entire shot clock and then shoot when it goes against what the Bulls are running all night? He shouldn't even be put into that position. It's so obvious what the Bulls do at the end of the game that you can pretty much predict that BG has a TO or throws up a wild shot. How many times will this happen before they try something new? THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR 3 YEARS NOW!

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 4, 2008 10:54 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The reason BG
has the ball at the end of the games is because he wants the ball. He has stated this. He wants to be the hero.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 12:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Apparently coaches have no choice here.
Huh?
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 4, 2008 12:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

These coaches do suck.
Seriously, they're quite horrible.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 4, 2008 12:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They need
to try someone different. I'm sure he tells them he can make the shot. After two times of disaster now this is on the coaches.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 12:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You can give him the ball
with a better chance of making the shot. It's not like he's missing wide-open standstill jumpers. He's getting harrassed by defenders because that's all the defense has to worry about.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 12:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This goes back
to him being able to handle the ball better. He can't.
Win, just win.

by sue369 on Jan 4, 2008 1:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

you're right
let's give the ball to Mr. Slump My Shoulders and we'll all sit back and watch him hit a two-handed volleyball shot at the rim...better yet, we'll watch him have a wide open look as the clock is winding down and he'll pass the ball behind him to a darting Noah to win the game

Go Bulls!

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 2:17 PM CST