Bulls-Blazers postgame venting thread
They had a lineup at one point of Duhon/Gordon/Griffin/Noah/Wallace. Because there was a lead to protect, and Boylan be damned if they actually put a team away.
Ben Wallace, after 36 minutes the night before, played over 47 tonight. From the opening tip you could tell it was going to be one of those games where he just really didn't feel like jumping. He did come up with some big plays near the end of the 4th and overtime, but it just emphasized how he should be sitting more often and saved for those spasms of competent play. Unfortunately Ben doesn't realize he's a corpse, so he's out chasing the ball at the 3 point line to make sure he was a step late on Lamarcus Aldridge jumpers.
(Uh oh, I said the secret word. Aldridge would be a good fit on this team, he shoots a lot of jumpers and doesn't rebound. In fact this Portland team is a lot like the Bulls in that it's just a bunch of jumpshooters and not much else. Except their defense isn't as good, and rebounding shouldn't be. Granted they were on the road and in the second of a back-to-back, but this looked like a team the Bulls should've blown out.)
Tyrus Thomas played 3 minutes, and was yanked for getting 2 fouls and getting hit in the mouth on the second of those, which was a pretty questionable call. He was promptly yanked, because you always yank a guy with 2 fouls even if he never plays enough minutes to foul out.
It's also in the NBA coaches handbook to never make substitutions in extra periods. They got you to that overtime, dag namit, you best make sure they are completely exhausted in that extra period, out of appreciation.
Games like this are why Nocioni has been called (by me, anyway) the dumbest player on the team. It's the intangibles that make him special, like leaving a 3 point shooter to rotate far too late on a Roy drive. See, Roy's passed the ball to the corner and Noc barely got touched, but damned if Noc didn't make sure to hit the deck anyway so he could watch the 3-pointer go in from the floor. It's that kind of thing that doesn't show up in the box score, no sir. Shooting 4-13 from the field does show up in the box score, however.
Speaking of our small forwards, Deng was hurt and missed the 2nd half (you could've said he missed the first with his performance). But why didn't Thabo dress?[sprained ankle -ed.] Why hasn't Griffin retired? Nothing says 'calming influence' like coming in committing 2 non-shooting fouls on Roy while the team's in the penalty. That dude is aloe he's so soothing.
An adage of hoops pundits is that a good team will get extra points at the end of periods. The Bulls suck at the end of periods, and games. Their plan is usually to give the ball to Ben Gordon and let him dribble a lot. Even if it's not the last possession and there's no incentive to run out the shot clock. And if you really want to add a wrinkle, send Ben Wallace out there to set a pick with 4 seconds left. Because that way your two options are Gordon shooting over two defenders, or a pass to Wallace 25 feet from the basket.
Chris Duhon: 1-6 in 26 minutes. And that 1 was on a goaltend. I especially liked waiting while the Blazers were on the ropes in the 3rd quarter to get Gordon in. We could've put them away with our real team out there, phew.
Joe Smith was the only true bright spot, but a reason that watching this team has become a joyless predictable exercise. They played Smith 45 minutes and relied on him (when not doing the patented Gordon play) to carry the team. And it's little coincidence that a team that needs Joe Smith to do this much is one that's this bad.
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Simply put
Everything I had thought, you wrote
by Option27 on Jan 3, 2008 11:24 PM CST 0 recs
I agree
by Jaina on
Jan 3, 2008 11:26 PM CST
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Thabo was hurt
Had a sprained right ankle.
And I loved what Boylan said when comparing Aldridge and Thomas:
Thomas finished with two points and one rebound.
"When he's around the basket and active on both ends blocking shots and attacking the glass, he's a very good player," Boylan said. "When he drifts out on the perimeter, that's not his game."
Boylan's assessment of Aldridge?
"Aldridge may be the best running big man in the league," he said. "He changes ends every single time and runs hard."
Best running big man in the league . . . hmm, you think Boylan might have been trying to send a message to Thomas there?
by Big D on Jan 3, 2008 11:39 PM CST 0 recs
barf barf barf
Fire Paxson then.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 3, 2008 11:42 PM CST
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Yup
by Big D on
Jan 3, 2008 11:56 PM CST
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And how, exactly, does all of that
Fixating on a player's "effort" and "running" is, IMO, a sign that the speaker is incapable of evaluating the nuances of a basketball game.
by 1958ChiTown on
Jan 3, 2008 11:43 PM CST
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I mean, hell, put me out there...
I can't do anything else, but I'll sprint.
It's just such an unsophisticated, primitive benchmark.
by 1958ChiTown on
Jan 3, 2008 11:45 PM CST
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It's reminds me of an moronic
Instead of making any tactical adjustments, he would just exhort his team to play harder. He'd scream and carry on, pound tables, excoriate the team for being pansies, and generally acted as if he could will the team to victory with desire.
Well, desire doesn't mean much if the players aren't in the proper alignment, or if they are playing goal line defense against a spread offense, or if the blocking schemes aren't right.
At some point, you have to make adjustments other than improved effort. Generatin mindless frenetic energy isn't coaching, it's cheerleading.
OK, I'll let it go now. I hope Tyus runs home from the UC to demonstrate his dedication.
by 1958ChiTown on
Jan 3, 2008 11:51 PM CST
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What's funny . . .
by Big D on
Jan 3, 2008 11:58 PM CST
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speaking of
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 12:03 AM CST
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i was even thinking
by hscs on
Jan 4, 2008 9:30 AM CST
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the stickmen
BlogABull hall-of-famer Channing Frye even looked good.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 9:35 AM CST
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thats why Bulls lost
I know Deng was out, but when you have Thomas and Thabo on bench that could match the lineup of Portland, its criminal to not use them
then to make matters worse the Gordon, Duhon, AG lineup was totally undersized and with Noah/Wallace it had no scorers other then Gordon (Duhon looked to past every time of course and AG should never have been out there to start with)
by NY Chicago Fan on
Jan 4, 2008 12:18 PM CST
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thanks for the info on Thabo
I was holding out hope he was traded :)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 3, 2008 11:45 PM CST
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More ruminations
As I mentioned in another thread, we are very constrained as to whom and when we can trade. It shouldn't be too long before Pax(Reinsdorf, Matt?) has to decide between making the playoffs and player development.
by hlac on Jan 4, 2008 12:05 AM CST 0 recs
it's not mutual exclusion
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 12:08 AM CST
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Sooner or later (probably sooner)
by vanillablue on
Jan 4, 2008 12:35 AM CST
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This might just be a problem
by cubbybear on
Jan 4, 2008 2:22 AM CST
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::sniffles::
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 9:18 AM CST
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Bulls scored 40 in the 2nd half, btw
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2008 12:11 AM CST 0 recs
Ben Wallace's per-40 minute stats:
Since Skiles got fired: 5.6 PTS, 10.3 REB.
How long before we hear Stephen A. Smith or some other idiot on ESPN blather on about how Wallace is "rejuvenated" since Skiles got fired? They'd better hurry, because Wallace is going to get hurt soon if he continues playing this many minutes.
by Big D on Jan 4, 2008 12:54 AM CST 0 recs
Uh....
Everyone is saying he is one dimensional but guess what he can hit shots when it counts. I think Gordon and Smith scored over half our points and the rest of the team shot something like 30 percent. We need to gut this team.
by alee7805 on Jan 4, 2008 1:25 AM CST 0 recs
Kirk did have his patented
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 9:18 AM CST
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I wondered whether anyone else remembered that
I threw things at the wall when Kirk mistook a 1 on 4 for a 4 on 1 fast break.
by cubbybear on
Jan 4, 2008 4:03 PM CST
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At least JamesOn
by Freethefro on
Jan 4, 2008 7:11 AM CST
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Nocioni Quotes
"I PUT BALL IN BASKET WHEN COACH TELL ME TO. AFTER THROWING ELBOW THROUGH POSEY EYE SOCKET."
by cubbybear on
Jan 4, 2008 4:04 PM CST
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WTF, mates?
I almost want Skiles back. That's how bad losing tonight's game was.
Uf. This is even more frustrating than getting blown out by shitty teams. And why don't we not give the other team the last shot one of these days?
by cubbybear on Jan 4, 2008 2:19 AM CST 0 recs
GENIUS!!!!
U rock dude! ( i am in no way being sarcastic, i truly think ure idea was genius, im wierd that way)
by piccolomair on
Jan 4, 2008 2:48 AM CST
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Uh....
I hope they win the next game, or else I think Bulls fandom might just rip all its hair out.
by cubbybear on
Jan 4, 2008 3:30 AM CST
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Wake me at the trade deadline
Nevertheless: even in "exciting" double overtime games, they are painfully dull to watch. An undersized, unathletic and poor-shooting team that tries to push the ball in transition. A geezer frontcourt paired with a munchkin backcourt. Andres Nocioni.
Bleh.
by Freethefro on Jan 4, 2008 7:04 AM CST 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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well said
I hate Noce - he does two things: flops and shoots...neither of them does he do right
I hate Du - he does nothing
I hate Wallace - he only plays when he feels like it. I've never seen a player drop off so fast in a matter of two years.
I hate Hinrich - i'm sick of the media making excuses for him...he sucks, period. His defense is average at best. He can't make a shot when you need it...he's wack
I hate Boylan - how many times can you watch Noce fall down, be late on rotations, and take bad shots before you decide to pull him out?!? DAMMIT play Tyrus!
I hate Paxson - he put all of this mess together, go fire yourself!
The play calling sucks, the rotations suck, the lineups suck, the coaching sucks...every freaking thing just sucks
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 4, 2008 8:47 AM CST 0 recs
Nocioni
Would it kill him not to flop at least ONE time?? I saw the same play that Matt mentioned, where he just flopped to the floor (Roy barely touched him by the way) and he left the 3-point shooter wide open for a shot. COME ON! If he was where he needed to be, maybe that basket is never made.
Even the shots that he makes are bad shots, they just happen to fall in. I counted ONE in-rhythm, "good" shot that he took last night. The rest were long threes, off-balance shots, rushed shots, just terrible, terrible offense.
Two years ago he was the fiery guy that was intense and picked up the team on defense, and would knock down good shots when you needed it. Now he's just out there flailing away with flopping, floundering and foolishness (try saying that 3 times fast).
I have no clue who they could get for him, I don't even care at this point, but I say trade him. He's useless in my eyes.
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 4, 2008 8:59 AM CST
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If only his contract weren't 5 yrs long.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 4, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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but you looooooovvvee BG
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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I'll come out
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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You and me both.
If they could get a more "complete" scorer, I'd be all for it.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 4, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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complete scorer?
by alee7805 on
Jan 4, 2008 5:08 PM CST
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true
He is the only key player on the team who can offset his deficiencies with another aspect of his game...all those other people I mentioned can't. When those other guys are struggling, they're just struggling. At least even if he's getting beat on the defensive end, he can make up for it by hitting shots.
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 4, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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pretty sure
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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shooting is more important than other things
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 10:28 AM CST
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sure shooting is important
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 10:34 AM CST
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I don't think people believe Gordon is flawless
And especially on this team that can't score!
So he may have as many flaws as others, but his flaws aren't as important. Duhon not being able to score is far more detrimental of a flaw, for instance.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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I'm not trying to rip on BG
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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he can play the last 30 seconds
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM CST
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A couple of
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 12:20 PM CST
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Bingo!
He takes shot he shouldn't take, but he makes a large part of them. Then he loses his guy on the defensive end a yields an open jumper. He drives down the lane and beats a guy with a sick crossover for a lay-in. Another time he picks up his dribble in a horrible spot and throws an awful up-for-grabs pass that's a turnover.
I mean, we wouldn't be in the game offensively without him, but he couldn't guard Jarret Jack or Steve Blake last night to save his life. The Aldrige-Jack pick & pop killed the Bulls in OT. Wallace kept switching out to Jack because Gordon couldn't get through the screen leaving Aldridge open.
Would we be in the position to need a last-second shot from BG if he played average NBA defense? Especially when 20,000 people know at the end it's going to be BG and no other.
(Side note; I thought the Bulls switched this up brilliantly by going to Joe Smith at the end of the 2nd OT with the Bulls down 3 after the BG turnover. Smith got fouled and his shot could have bounced in instead of out. The FT would have tied it. Who knows what would have happened).
It's just very difficult to quantify the sum of BG's contributions to the team because they are superlative on both ends of the the good-bad spectrum. I don't think a team with BG as the primary go-to guy can truly contend until BG trusts a teammate enough to pass off for a game winning shot instead of taking it all on himself.
by mdmnd9294 on
Jan 4, 2008 3:03 PM CST
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Your statement is so true ...
Still, the Bulls need reliable (one or two) good starters that can deliver when called upon with a pass from BG....
by exult463 on
Jan 4, 2008 3:57 PM CST
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so what your saying is
by alee7805 on
Jan 4, 2008 5:10 PM CST
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I'm not saying
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 5:40 PM CST
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who said
Seriously though, I've said several times here that his defense sucks and that he turns the ball over too much...but who else is hitting shots??
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 4, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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Lu, Noc, Smith
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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last night
Noce 4-13
Kirk 5-18
Du 1-6
Wallce 4-11
wow, they were really on fire...
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 4, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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Lu
by Jaina on
Jan 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST
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there are different degrees
by hscs on
Jan 4, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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I agree with you
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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well watching the Bulls
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 11:01 AM CST
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there are as many h8ters as fanbois
by hscs on
Jan 4, 2008 11:08 AM CST
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doesn't make either of them right
by bullshooter on
Jan 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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The biggest problem with BG is not his height.
All the issues people are counting against Gordon are really issues that should be counted against the Bulls as a team. Their personnel deficiencies demand that Gordon play the role of Dwayne Wade, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Tony Parker--all last minute guys, but with the difference that they are outrageously incredible ball handlers who can get wherever they want on the court whenever they want. Gordon is not one of those guys. They are all superstars. The fact that he fails in that role merely highlights the Bulls most glaring team defect.
Don't hate on Ben. It is misplaced. Listen to what almost every other NBA player (maybe ignore former top 50 `greats') says about him. He is a widely and highly respected player. Ben is great at what he does. It's the Bulls that are flawed.
by alec on
Jan 4, 2008 11:40 AM CST
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I wish the coaching staff
THe problem being they fall so in love with this shooting ability that they forget his limitations and the Bulls fall into the late game trap of Ben trying to be facilitator/scorer.
Case in point, 90 percent of the game the Bulls start the ball with Hinrich or Duh and then run some sort screen to free up a player for a shot or one/one drive. Why do they keep relying on Ben to dribble out the entire shot clock and then shoot when it goes against what the Bulls are running all night? He shouldn't even be put into that position. It's so obvious what the Bulls do at the end of the game that you can pretty much predict that BG has a TO or throws up a wild shot. How many times will this happen before they try something new? THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR 3 YEARS NOW!
by RogersPark Kris on
Jan 4, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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The reason BG
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 12:22 PM CST
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Apparently coaches have no choice here.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 4, 2008 12:27 PM CST
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These coaches do suck.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 4, 2008 12:29 PM CST
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They need
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 12:47 PM CST
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You can give him the ball
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 4, 2008 12:50 PM CST
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This goes back
by sue369 on
Jan 4, 2008 1:07 PM CST
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you're right
Go Bulls!
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 4, 2008 2:17 PM CST
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