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Bulls 107, Heat 89

This fallacy of 'energy' as a predictor of who was going to win was exposed yet again tonight. Throughout the first half the story was that the Heat got sent a message in game one and would try and come out in game two with more energy,  to match the energy of the Bulls.

Well maybe they did, but I had thought they had energy in game one too. Energy isn't the problem, they're just slow. Even while staying close in the opening minutes, the Bulls were getting to the long rebounds (Ben Wallace was great tonight in generating extra possessions), pushing the ball, and aggressively running their offense and exploiting mismatches. The same strategy in that offense was in effect, feeding the ball to Luol down low. Unlike in game one, Lu wasn't hitting the close shots, and started out the game 1-6.

Fortunately Luol Deng isn't the Bulls best offensive player, it's Ben Gordon. What made me impressed with his performance in the first game was his ability to contribute without hitting his 3-pointers. Today the averages evened out, and it was bombs away for Ben. He was 5-8 from three while still being diverse in his shot selection by going inside. What changed was the lack of free-throw attempts, but it wasn't a matter of not going to rim, the Heat did a better job of keeping him off the line. Or maybe they just content with giving up easy points?

'Easy' was the theme of the night on offense for the Bulls. The Heat were slow chasing on screens, and disinterested (Jason Williams in particular) in rotating to shooters. The Heat actually seemed to do better getting back on defense in transition this game (and they had a lot of practice with the Bulls forcing 20 turnovers) but as we've seen in this series: the quickness advantage isn't only manifested on the fast break. In their set offense the Bulls were getting open looks all night, and finished 55% from the field and nearly 65% from 3. It was a remarkable offensive performance for a team that is much-maligned for their inability to score. The Bulls managed to look incredibly efficient even with 18 turnovers, as if the memories of those turnovers were eclipsed by seeing open shot after open shot.

Defensively it wasn't perfect, but the Bulls once again did a decent enough job of guarding Shaq while only using Wallace and Brown (Brown with the +26 in 31 minutes, fantastic on both ends of the floor tonight) and not allowing him to collapse the whole defense for everyone to get involved. The best part about getting these veteran additions is that you don't have to worry about them, and they deserve credit for holding their own in the paint like we've been told they would come playoff time.

The only worry on defense tonight was the times when Dwyane Wade would take over stretches. And most of that was against Chris Duhon, who I had hoped was abandoned by Skiles after Thabo's game one performance but got another stint tonight in the final 4:30 of the second quarter, and again for another 12 minutes beginning in the middle of the third. Granted, Thabo Sefolosha was making mistakes on offense and wasn't as effective on Wade as he was in the series opener, but Duhon was poison out there. It wasn't just Wade getting to the basket, it was the needed help it caused, leaving the shooters (like Posey who hit two threes to end the first half) wide open. Between Kirk Hinrich and Thabo, and especially on a better night from Hinrich where he did a better job of staying on the court, there is no reason for Skiles to have Duhon as be the primary defender on Wade. I'm not saying he should never play, but not when he has to guard Wade.

This could've killed the Bulls if only, ya know, the Heat wanted to stop the Bulls scoring barrage. To end the half when the defense was starting to melt down, Nocioni, Deng and Gordon kept hitting shots and keeping that lead up. In the 4th when you could feel another Miami run coming on, Luol Deng hit 6 straight shots to keep the game out of reach. After that it was, as the Knicks would say, running up the score time.

Riley said something interesting in the press conference when asked about how to stop the Bulls 'jump shooting' attack. Riley rightly clarified that the Bulls don't just shoot jumpers, it wasn't like they're running a play for Kirk, Luol, and Ben to get jump shots. Everybody's constantly moving with and without the ball, and they make it hard on the defense to find the open shooter. Riley further emphasized the effectiveness by saying how since the Bulls have been doing it for a whole season it makes that offense run much easier by this time of the year.

It's that constant movement that the Heat haven't been able to figure out how to stop. Not yet at least, and I'm sure the rim will seemingly tighten up for Gordon, Deng, Hinrich(6-12 tonight on a good bounce-back performance) at points on the road. But if the Bulls keep getting this open while an aged Heat defender flails away a few steps behind, the shots will likely keep falling.

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Is it safe to say a 3rd win...
...either Friday or Sunday ends this series? Probably not quite. But even if the Heat win Friday, if the Bulls win Sunday... I have a hard time seeing them bounce back for three straight.

by tyger1147 on Apr 24, 2007 11:28 PM CDT   0 recs

I would say that a 4th win can accurately
end this series(kidding tyger). I think that having a 2-0, or 3-1(hello, Lakers) lead is dangerous for any ballclub. Not saying that 1-1, 0-2, or any other permutation is any less severe, but having a comfortable 2-game lead like this can lead to some sloppy play.

I'm officially going to jump on the Nocioni bandwagon, also. Despite his -8 efficiency, I would like to see more of him. Maybe not as much as his 30.1-minute effort in Game 1, but a little more than tonights' 18.6. I don't think Thomas played so well tonight, save the steal he had from Wade in the closing seconds. I'd still like to see more minutes from him too, however(possibly both stealing DUHON'S MINUTES(gasp)?!)

PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 24, 2007 11:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought both Noce an Tyrus
generally played like dung tonight.

Noce had a good spurt in the first quarter, then slacked off. In the third, his defense was horrendous. Skiles was FURIOUS with him at one point for his lax defense on a Walker drive. Skiles called a TO immediately after and came off the bench screaming at Noce, clapping in his face.

Tyrus had a decent little stretch were he had a good assist to Ben Wallace, then drew a foul on Shaq. However, when he got blocked by Mourning, which led to a Miami fast, break, it really changed momentum. He went right to the bench and wasn't seen from again until garbage time.

Luckily, PJ played well enough for both of them.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW, I think the little celbration featuring
Ty and Noce after the first quarter was one of the more enjoyable moments of the night.

A lot of raw enthusiasm there.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I saw the verbal rape
that Skiles gave to Nocioni. Maybe it's my lack of confidence of seeing Brown perform at the high level of efficiency like tonight, but I don't think the Bulls should rely on him that much. Hopefully I'm wrong, and the game he had tonight won't be an outlier. I mean, if they can win the series with this type of distribution of minutes, I'll almost be apathetic to who's playing more and who's playing less.
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 24, 2007 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree. So long as they keep winning, the
forward rotation won't concern me a bit.

I don't know if PJ can play at this level consistently, either, but it was nice to see.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't Skiles immediately pull Noce . . .
After Walker blew by him there?  We didn't see him the rest of the game either.  Funny how after people on here spent so much time debating Thomas vs. Nocioni, neither one of them played much in the 2nd half.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think (think) he stayed out there for a couple
more minutes after the Walker play, but I can't be sure.

You are right, the whole Noce-Tyrus debate was rendered moot by PJ tonight.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right.
He stayed in there after the Walker lay-up.
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 12:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's unfair to Tyrus
To say him getting his shot blocked 'changed momentum' more than another player missing a shot could.

I thought he played fine based on what anyone can evaluate in 6 minutes of play (first half, not garbage time). He's getting much better at making the right pass, and he also puts forces teams to foul him.  

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 12:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't blaming him.
I was really just noting that he was yanked at that point.

It was a good play by Mourning.

You are right. His passing has improved tremendously.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought that pass was a little risky
he didn't really have anyone contesting his shot to the point where it could have messed it up, and Wallace looked to have been a little surprised by it. Probably just how I perceived it, though(as long as 2 points are made, who cares).
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 12:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Screw the Heat
Could anyone on their team even go 4 for 5?
Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 24, 2007 11:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Chris Duhon
Drop Duhon dammit!!! Skiles has to be better than this to see that Duhon's being beaten from almost every angle. If Wade starts feeling better, we are going to start feeling a lot of pain. Thabo and Griffin are better 2nd options to track Wade. Face it Skiles, no one expects to see another 20 point run in a seson opener from Duhon so quit trying!!!

by blackmage71 on Apr 24, 2007 11:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Seriously
I've never bashed Duhon as much as some people on here have.  I've always seen him as a decent backup point guard (with an emphasis on backup) capable of filling in for 10-15 minutes a game.  The problem is, those 10-15 minutes should absolutely NOT be in the 4th quarter of a relatively close playoff game, especially when he's playing as badly as he did tonight.  It didn't matter tonight, but it might if we're lucky enough to advance in the playoffs, because we'll be playing better teams than Miami.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Duhon again.
Im no saying that Duhon is a no-show. Yes he's  decent guard, yes he is solid backup, yes he might make starter one some smaller clubs. But he should not be taking 18 minutes a game, most of it defending Wade. The whole 3 guard formation doesn't work especially when none of our guards are above 6'3.
Let Duhon give Gordon and Kirk a rest but don't use him on the last 4 minutes where we have the game on the line. As i said before, let Thabo and Griffin guard Wade, cause if he's healthy again, we might not be so lucky.
Anyhow, on to GAME 3!!!!

by blackmage71 on Apr 24, 2007 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Duhon is terrible
He's 0-4 so far this season and has shot 30% in 14 career playoff games. I don't even think he's that great of a defender. His only real talent is  distributing the ball. I cringe every time he jacks up a shot.

by Mike Aparicio on Apr 25, 2007 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be sweet beyond belief to steal
game three.

I am already tired of hearing that the Heat came back from down 2-0 last year. (People seem to forget that series was a 2-3-2 format, which makes a difference, in my opinion.)

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:37 PM CDT   0 recs

What? Thabo?
Thabo was awful defending Wade tonight.  He was way too slow and was beaten by wade at least three times to the hoop.

by Sambossanova on Apr 24, 2007 11:40 PM CDT   0 recs

my +/- lecture series
doesn't begin until the fall semester, but I'll squeeze out a nugget of knowledge now: simply regurgitating the data doesn't mean anything. It's just a fancy box score, people!

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks John Hollinger.
I'm waiting with baited breath for the series on tensor calculus that you'll punch out between answering calls on the twink 900 sex line.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm really not sure what your problem is.
(and I really don't care) but the hatespeech that leaks into your not-so-clever retorts is troubling. The trick to stats is using the right ones, not just throwing them out there. Your problems with math, women, and now gay dudes are noted. Try to stay on task please.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good lord, you are one sensitive PC motherfucker.
Here is my problem with you: You think you are a modern day bard of basketball, some internet Carl Sandberg-cum-Red Auerbach-cum-RA Fisher who enlightens the rabble with every brilliant keystroke.

But you are a complete and utter fraud. Your analysis is terrible. You don't undertand basic principles of logic or deducion. You are prone to wild fallacy. Your best friend is the straw man. Your statistical theories - pulled randomly from odd columns of some Knicks blog - remind me of something that might appear in a Monty Python skit, a Woody Allen movie, or a Harlan Ellison satire about humanity's bleak future.  And to top it all off, you're a pedant, the surest sign of a small mind.

And I find it hard to believe that you don't care what my opinion is, since you follow my posts around like a lost wet puppy in the rain, responding to almost each and every one.

 

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh, no?
With the exception of understanding just a little bit of the application of APBR metrics, I'm terrible at math. I'm no basketball savant either. I admit that I cannot quantify everything that happens in a basketball game (or a whole season), and that's what those gosh darn statistics are for. My stastical theories aren't mine, nor do I personally have a theory about statistics and basketball. That "some Knicks blog" is the Knickerblogger.Net Stats Page, and it's the only place where I can watch Nocioni's USG-r skyrocket. The laws of probability govern most of this stuff. Now watch me shuffle this deck of cards...zzzzzzz

I'm not sure where you're getting the pedant stuff from. I lace almost everything with a smart alecky comment, and if it comes off as arrogant I apologize. The idea is that this isn't a serious pursuit, so don't take it seriously. I hate being called "PC," as it implies I have something to gain, or I'm not being totally honest when I call out the ignorance and hatefuckery in here. It's a respect other people thing, not a self-important "I'm more evolved" B.S. thing.

I care about your opinion only enough to mock it, and you continue to look foolish in another mind-reading attempt.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 11:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

quick 'courtesy' reminder for everyone
It's not 'politically correct', it's 'correct'.

This isn't bullshitting time with pals. We may seem more familiar with eachother here than complete strangers, but it's a far cry from hanging out with people who know you and would know "you're joking".

And more importantly, if you say something stupid or offensive at least admit it as such and say it was in the pursuit of humor.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I did a googlesearch
on "hatefuckery", and it didn't come up with anything.  Could someone clue me in to what I need to avoid doing so as not be indulging in hatefuckery.  I know what "rodeo fucking" is, is it at all related to that?

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 12:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never thought I would actually encounter any
real person who met the definition of "precious."

Well, other than Jay Mariotti.

But lo and behold, here's another.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 1:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um....
One of you is eventually going to have to grow a pair and cut this shit out, or Matt is going to have a put out the first ever BlogABull restraining order.

And I'm with PaxJax and Matt on the Politically Correct issue.

This shit is getting ridiculous.

by Chalkwhite on Apr 25, 2007 1:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I gotta be honest
after the blowout last night, this is the most entertaining/interesting thing going here today.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 2:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not going to get into
a name-calling contest. This whole episode has been stupid and pointless, and I can go to stopmikelupica.com for that kind of flame action.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As far as name calling
you do your fair share and it's not like you've sworn off ad hominem arguments, either.  There's no high ground left in this ditch of a thread.  So let's either get this thread to the right margin or start a new diary.  Either is fine with the silent masses.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the only high ground
I was on was the rug you just pulled out from under my feet. I really don't do any name calling though.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry man
I had to prove to NinnyBull that I wasn't your stooge.  Now we can get back to making fun of him for living on Planet Dork.

BTW, just so everyone knows, none of the rules apply when it comes to NinnyBull, at least this week.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well I'm glad somebody does
I personally don't, and I'm guessing the more silent masses don't either.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is the bottom line on old PaxJax.
I can only judge him by the arguments he has set forth here. And thus far, I've only seen him espouse two actual arguments on this board:

(A) He argued that Noce should play less than Tyrus in this Heat series. (He also insinuates that Noce should be allowed to go elsewhere as a free agent this offseason.) He acts as if such a decision is self-evident and obvious. But look at the facts. Noce has played somthing like 48 minutes in this series. Tyrus has played something like 18. Noce is averaging something around 13.5 points and 4.5 rebounds. Tyrus is averaging something like 2 points and 1 rebound. The Bulls are up 2-0 with Noce averaging far more minutes, points, and rebounds than Tyrus. Yet despite this, PaxJax labors on and stands by his ludicrous argument. (The guy even tried to blame NOCE for the New Jersey loss, when it was patently obvious that the core's performance lost that game.) He has an agenda, and he pushes it even where the indisputable facts suggest an alternate conclusion;

(2) He argues, illogically and speciously, that any attempt to deduce the mental state of human beings based on circumstantial evidence consitutes either "psychoanalysis" or "mind reading."  Yet I can name innumerable instances in which human beings regularly deduce and infer the mental states of other individuals based on just such circumstantial evidence. Notably, our whole criminal justice system, which requires prove of mens rea (mental state), would crumble if jurors were not justifiably allowed to draw inferences about the mental state (e.g. intention, recklessness, negligence, premeditation, etc.) of defendants based on nothing more than CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence (e.g. eye witness accounts, body language, prior conduct, general principles of human behavior). He then compounds his failure to acknowledge the undeniable logic of this position by cloaking his rebuttals in blatant straw men, such as telepathy allusions.

In short, both of the primary arguments he has adduced here are, well, to put it bluntly, bad.

Here is the truth. Skiles knows far more about basketball than anyone here, PaxJax included. In all likelihood, barring a recurrence of his injury, Noce will continue to play more than Tyrus in this series. If that is the decision Skiles makes, I certianly won't question it based on esoteric stats on random blogs (ESPECIALLY when we keep winning and Noce keeps conributing!). And while others have a right to do so, I smilarly have a right to think that their strained attempts are nonsensical.

   

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW, sorry for typos, etc.
I felt compelled to respond, but was in transit, so had to use bberry.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It'd be great
if you could drop it, too.  You're like a virus infecting every single thread with the Noc thing.  Enough already.  He makes good plays, he makes bad plays.  And the twinkie comment, while humorous, definitely stepped over the line (or crawled under it, to continue the metaphor.)  Is there a way to remove the refresh button from my browser?

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, it's dropped.
This will be my last post on the subject.

In fairness, the Noce issue really remains in play for the duration of the series, since the prognostications and suggestions made by certain posters applied to the entire series.

I just thought that maybe, MAYBE, certain posters here would demonstrate some modicum of intellectual integrity and honesty. When you take a position, and that position turns out to be blatantly wrong (as demonstrated by empirical evidence and experience), you MIGHT want to admit that fact, if only to salvage credibility.

But I forgot that the internet and blogs in particular are generally the realm of self-aggrandizing hermits who feel they know more than highly regarded NBA coaches. It's like a world full of guys who got rejected from Medill, only to dedicate the rest of their lives to the delusional dream of becoming the next gritty Bob Woodward of the hardcourt, developing grass roots analysis the main stream media (MSM, giggle) and NBA pros could never replicate.

Whatever. Hereby dropped unless it becomes the explicit topic of another thread.  

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wow I just read it and now feel worse
What a pile of crap. You did use a lot of big words though, congrats.

Since I get the last word here, I'll weigh in:

Point (1) can be argued, and lot of different stats and theories about team construction can be put into play. There's no insurmountable group of 'facts' that proves playing Noc more than Tyrus or vice versa is better. And especially not in terms of who to keep for the future. To say so makes you a turd.

Point (2) is your mental masturbation via keyboard. The whole reason (or at least mine) of demeaning the use of figuring out a pro-athletes' mental state is that it's viewed amongst many as completely overblown (i.e. they've become cliches) in most media coverage. So I think it's fair to respond to your assertions over the team's mental state by simply saying "it's not that big of a concern, and you don't know how they're feeling anyway". It's just viewed as a lazy form of analysis, nobody thinks the players are robots. For you to assume we do makes you a turd.

And nobody says they're better suited to judge the team than the Coach or the GM, they're just offering their opinion. Some opinions are more informed and reasoned than others, but it's not very fun if we have nothing to say because the actual people in charge must know better. Meanwhile, you say that while out of the other side of your mouth asserting that your points are more valid than ours and to think otherwise is not playing fair. It's entirely fair, some of us think your opinion sucks. You can keep arguing that it doesn't suck, but don't freak out when that doesn't get as many converts as you wish.

And the fact that you accuse others of having 'an agenda' is so infuriating and wrong I can't even begin to say why. Apparently you take yourself far too seriously to understand. Turd.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I obviously struck a chord
Don't worry, though, Bob, you'll be discovered soon enough. Your big break is out there. I feel it.

From the sticky keyboard fumblings of Blogabull all the way to the

Ennnnnn

Beeeee

Aaaaaaa.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you did, can you tell if I'm 'mentally shaken'?
because there's an assumption made by those here that I'm just a fan offering my thoughts, and this is a forum for others to do the same.

Whatever respect those thoughts deserve is entirely up to the reader and probably differs amongst them. It has nothing to do with 'making it' anywhere. I can live with some people thinking I don't know shit, it'd be nice if you could do the same and get over it without whining that your ideas have to be respected because you say so.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 4:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a trick question
Saying that someone is "mentally shaken" presumes that they have functioning mental facilties in the first place.

I just point out the truth. Whether or not people respect it is entirely their decision. Here, the truth is that Noce is playing more and having a better series than Tyrus...and the Bulls are winning. If you don't care about being wrong, why not just admit that you have been wrong about this issue?

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is the truth
The +29.5 Off Court +/- for Nocioni in the playoffs indicates that he's playing too much. That's what really happened in games 1 and 2.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 5:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

indicates to me anyway,
but the point is the Bulls aren't in the black (by a fairly wide margin) this series when Nocioni plays.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 6:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops I out thought myself
The off court +/- indicates that the team is having more success with other power forwards.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ugh, it wasn't who's having the better 2 games
and it wasn't about being right or wrong, I'm saying what I think. These two games don't prove anything that changes how I feel about playing Tyrus more (with Noc's minutes).

It's hard to believe you don't read what you write and realize how full of yourself you sound.

And what does guessing how players are feeling (ya know, the 'mind reading') have anything to do with truth?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would suggest that the person who is
full of himself is the one feels justified in second guessing a great NBA coach. It's one thing to disagree with a coach where poor results occur consistently, quite another to disagree with a coach where his methods are producing wins.

I don't take myself seriously at all. My only function in the Bulls world is to cheer for the players on the court and pay fractional salaries.

Tyrus has a great future with the Bulls. He'll likely be the starter next year. And I think he'll have a huge series against the Pistons (assuming we make it that far) because he matches up well there, especially as an antidote to Weber.

But in this series, I think Skiles is exactly right for playing Noce. And so far, the results support that conclusion.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 6:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then join the fan club
I think most people would understand that if someone blasts (and saying he should play more Tyrus before the series begins is an example of NOT second-guessing, it's first-guessing) the coach on some rotation decisions, that wouldn't automatically mean that person thinks the coach is doing a bad job overall. Maybe I should add some sort of disclaimer for other readers with your level of perception?

You're basically saying nobody should say anything critical because we're just fans. Please go away if that's the case, don't offer your thoughts on the Bulls and stick to what you're an expert in, which apparently is being a jerk.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 7:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Criticize all you want.
But where you recommend tactics (play Tyrus over Noce), and the coach does the exact opposite of what you suggested (plays Noce over Tyrus), and the player you suggested should play "spare minutes" has a huge game one where he makes several critical plays, and the player you suggested should play more minutes averages 2 points and one rebound, and the coach's tactics (again, the exact opposite of what you suggested) results in a 2-0 series lead over the defending world champion, then your suggestion is going to look pretty damn stupid. Which it does. But you've already said you are comfortable with that. So more power to you.

Fans have every right to criticize coaches. But usually the good coaches are right, as is the case here.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 7:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Bulls have been
giving up a lot of points this series when Nocioni is playing. You're giving him a lot of credit for only contributing on one side of the court. Nocioni can still get run over by Shaq while playing 15 minutes a game. The main idea (as I see it) of the Thomas over Nocioni argument is the possibility of him out-producing Nocioni on Nocioni's best night, and it isn't a big gamble because Nocioni isn't a contributor on the level of Deng, Gordon, or Hinrich.

No one who thought Skiles was crazy not to start Gordon looks stupid now, and they really didn't 'then' either. The Heat are one of the worst defending champions ever too, and I don't see what that adds to your ramblings.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know where to even start responding to
this drivel.

Have you ever heard of the principle of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific rule of thumb which says that the simplest explanation is usually the best.

Here, the simplest explanation is that the strategy of playing Noce over Tyrus has, in facted, worked, leading to a two game series advantage, including one game where Noce arguably made the most important play (at least according to Riley).

But rather than accept that explanation, you and your sidekick construct these attenuated, convoluted, and inaccurate statistical rationales for abandoning the strategy that has been proven to work! It's hilarious. All of your theories are based on the entirely speculative position that the Bulls MIGHT win by more if Noce had played less. Complete surmise, of course. All this despite the fact that, on hard paper, Tyrus is averaging 2 points and a rebound! And you do it all to avoid just simply saying that you were wrong. Doubly hilarious.

You keep bringing up that Gordon issue, and you keep missing the point. There was a juncture at which Skiles was wise to bring Gordon off the bench, because Gordon struggled as a starter. Then there came a time when Gordon matured, and Skiles left him in the starting line-up. That sounds like astute player management.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't that what you shave your
No, no, not going there.

I apologize for being a "jerk" today.

Seriously.

I know you think you're right on this issue. And you know I think I'm right. And no one is going to change their minds tonight.

This is one of the risks of getting too wrapped up in arguments about the team you follow, at least for me. It can take some of the fun out of just being a fan.

I hereby withdraw from the thread.

I hope you are right about Tyrus kicking everyone's ass on Friday.

Good luck to ya' in all your endeavors.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 9:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't this the third or fourth time...
this argument has been dropped? I'm pretty sure it is. Typically when I say I'm going to do something, I follow through with it. Seems those who continue after they said "I'm done arguing" are the ones full of themselves.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 11:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The silent majority
nods its collective head.

by Chalkwhite on Apr 25, 2007 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I fell asleep
but I thought I'd comment, because I LOVE seeing my thoughts scrunched up as far as possible along the right margin

by jeeves on Apr 25, 2007 7:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When I egged these guys on
I never thought it would get this stupid.  My Dad has a saying,"You should never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."  I've never been in a situation where everybody is a pig.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 9:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Duhon wasn't?
Duhon did a bad job on him too, and all things being equal, I'd rather have a 6-7 guy guarding him than a 6-1 guy.  Shit, this is Dwyane Wade we're talking about; he is going to blow by people occasionally.  The problem is that Duhon needs help to prevent Wade from just shooting over him all day long, and those double teams led to several Miami 3's tonight.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Woody Page on Around the Horn
someone was arguing a bright spot for the Heat was DWade starting to drive the basket.  Woody Page says something like "He was doing that with Duhon guarding him.  I'm driving the basket with Duhon guarding!"

by wjb1492 on Apr 25, 2007 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol
www.tradeduhon.com

by sue369 on Apr 25, 2007 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree Thabo had a bad time guarding wade too
But at least when he's in there you feel there's a better chance of stopping him. With Duhon you know the help has to come before Wade even makes his move.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 24, 2007 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and
Thabo is better rebounder and has even looked better on Offensive end so I say Thabo over Duhon.  100% agree I'd rather have taller defender and Wade is great so you can't stop him every time.  It seems obvious that Thabo is future 1st guard off bench for Bulls (with current roster), I hope that future is now.  Every once in a while Duhon has nice drive to basket but he continues to not want to shoot from outside which is what Bulls play for.

by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 25, 2007 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Final note, then sleep.
I am super excited about winning Game 2.

However, I remember the Wizards series in 05.

Moreover, here is the truth: The Chicago Bulls have not won a road playoff game since Jordan beat Utah in 1998.

That was almost a decade ago.

We are 0-6 since.

We must reverse that trend.

I don't want to come back home for Game 5 tied 2-2. There would be a TON of pressure on the Bulls in that game.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:37 AM CDT   0 recs

beautiful sentence matt
"But if the Bulls keep getting this open while an aged Heat defender flails away a few steps behind, the shots will likely keep falling."

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 6:31 AM CDT   0 recs

Mornings with JoeJoe
(JoeJoe, diaries are for seperate topics. Or maybe I just like to bury your efforts)
Bulls protected home court thats awesome. Things are about to change. With three games in Miami Im sure we will see a different Heat team. I rememeber last season we had tied the series 2-2 and was telling everyone this was over. Dwade and GP bitching in the huddle it seemed as if there was no way Miami would come back from that. I was wrong. So now the calls will be going to Miami and Im sure they might bring out some of their own chants. I don't know if the Bulls can take a game in Miami I really don't. I don't think they are playoff road ready yet! I hope Im wrong.

Quick thoughts.....

1.We need to win atleast one game in Miami. Two would be nice.

2.Yes I said ''we'' cause Im in that mood.

3.Tyrus needs to play more because he makes up for his      mistakes with game changing plays.

4.Zo is to Tyrus as Kryptonite is to Superman.

5.Zo will block you Tyrus! Manover around his arm.

6.Still we need more Tyrus. I was waiting for that huge play or Dunk but Skiles thought different.

7.No more bad bad little line ups.

8.More Sefo less Du.

9.Nocioni and Tyrus in the same room can be catastrophic.

10.They will eat you.

11.The real Bullshit is about to begin!

12.I hope this doesn't get ugly in Miami.

13.Where was GP tonight?

14.I can't believe GP is still playing in the league.

15.Wallace has been huge and worth the money.

16.When Shaq gets the ball under the hoop just walk away.

17.Sometimes I have thoughts of trading Kirk next season and drafting a 2 guard like Brewer. But thats when he fouls out.

18.Du really is not as productive as he once was. He was productive once right?

19.Miami looks old and bad.

20.I said that last season.

21.I wanted Kirk to tackle Posey at one point in the game.

22.Or have Sweets sit on his face like Earthquake.

23.I saw Earthquake at Woodfeild mall with a 4ft Asian woman.

24.Holding hands.

25.BG was sweet tonight.

26.Deng was on fire.

27.Charles needs to get fired.

28.If it comes back to Chicago and the game is out of reach with a Bulls win I hope to hear some Barkley is a tool chants.

29.Steve Kerr is a pussy flake ass bitch and he bugs me with his bandwagon Bullshit.

30.Tired of Dwades problems.

31.Dwade is always hurt.

32.I hope we can steal one on the road.

33.Go Bulls.