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Game Thread #34: Bulls vs. Detroit Pistons

This one should be both fun and important, as (two of) the top teams in the East square off tonight at the United Center. Sure there's the added backstory of Ben Wallace facing his former mates, but that seems more of an issue for Detroit and their fans than the Bulls. Although maybe in the presence of Flip Saunders, Wallace will be especially focused on showing off his new offensive moves. (That phrase can be taken multiple ways...)

The more important matchup is how the Bulls stack up as a team against Detroit, a matchup that has had some successes (including winning both road games 2 seasons ago) but a nightmare 0-fer last season including an embarrassing blowout. My Man Sam has a nice recap of the recent rivalry (or not, according to the Pistons).

"Ain't no heated rivalry," Rasheed Wallace offered after the Pistons practiced Friday at Moody Bible Institute for Saturday's first meeting with former teammate Ben Wallace. "Not really. I don't see them as a rival. They've never been to me since I've been here. Back in the day with Joe [Dumars] and [Scottie] Pippen and those guys.

"To me, our rivals in the East are Indiana and Miami. Not to take anything away from those young fellas, but it's not a rivalry."

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

It sure seemed like one last season when Rasheed Wallace spent much of an easy December victory mocking the Bulls and laughing at their misses, shouting "ball don't lie" as the Bulls missed free throws, yelling "bank" on shots and pushing around Andres Nocioni. Coach Scott Skiles seethed and in a postgame lecture he assured his team he would have done something about it.

In their next game later in December, the usually calm Othella Harrington got ejected in frustration. And when the teams met again in February, Skiles almost did something about it. Pistons players say Skiles was challenging Richard Hamilton to a fight after Hamilton got ejected for elbowing Kirk Hinrich.

Skiles denied it, though most people would have come to blows after the things Hamilton, according to witnesses, called Skiles: Unprintable names and characterizations that have led to much more extreme violence elsewhere.

...

But now the landscape has changed some, even if the Pistons are loathe to admit it despite the Bulls' addition of Ben Wallace.

Wallace against his former team is likely more of a footnote given that Pistons players probably talk to Wallace more often than Wallace's new teammates do. Billups, who won't play on Saturday, says he and Ben Wallace speak about every day, and Wallace will always be a Piston.

...

That may create some ambivalence for the Bulls on Saturday.

Everyone hates the Pistons and their behavior. The Bulls question their sportsmanship; they say the Pistons moan and constantly beg for fouls. The Bulls now have Ben Wallace, who was involved in sticking it to them.

But the Pistons remain the team that has been the Eastern dynasty the last five years.

So it's probably a bigger game for the Bulls than for Ben Wallace, and perhaps not so much for the Pistons, who on Friday seemed eager for the reunion with their old friend.

It's annoying that the Pistons believe they're some sort of dynasty, but that's irrelevant if the Bulls can't beat them.

A lot has changed for both teams since last season, the Bulls took one of their best players, and the Pistons have completely changed their style to become the 3rd best offense in the league, although not maintaining the dominating defense that got them to the Finals in consecutive years. Both ends of the floor will be impacted by the loss of Chauncey Billups, meaning the Pistons weak backcourt bench of Lindsay Hunter and Flip Murray will have to log heavy minutes. Hopefully this means that last night's 0 FTA effort against New Jersey was an aberration for Ben Gordon, who falls into his old inconsistencies when not getting to the line.

But I'm especially worried about what Rasheed Wallace may do tonight. He's dominant when inspired, and coupling facing Ben Wallace as well as his annoyance in Andres Nocioni he may be ready for a big game. And for those who question the long-term viability of Noc as a starting four can look to this matchup as an example why it won't work, as Wallace can absolutely dominate Noc if his shot is falling.

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Dominate
may be too weak a word. Sheed was calling his shots, shooting lefty, and laughing in a past meeting. I'm a big Rasheed Wallace fan, but I'll throw around the career underachiever label just to piss off Detroit fans, and were all "Ben Wallace sucks anyway," after the better Benjamin signed with the Bulls.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 6, 2007 5:29 PM CST   0 recs

Time for a big win.
I'm not one to put too much stock in any individual game, but after the last couple of stinkers, the Bulls need to get this one badly.  Not to mention that the importance of every game against Detroit and Cleveland is magnified with how tight the top of the East is right now (Bulls currently the 6 seed, but only 1 1/2 games behind 1 seed Detroit).

Predicting Rasheed's effort level is about like predicting Rex Grossman's QB rating in any given game.  Like you said Matt, the Bulls could use a big forward to match up with 'Sheed.  Someone like, oh say Jermaine O'Neal (shameless diary plug).

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 6, 2007 5:32 PM CST   0 recs

I'm sure
they remember the Pistons laughing at them last year. I know I do. I hope the two losses so far this month bring out a Bulls team full of fire.

Go Bulls!!!

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 5:55 PM CST   0 recs

Hey Sue...
Has milesmsu or what-not said anything about how great the Hawkeyes are? Man that was an awesome game--well, sort of. I haven't been able to watch them all year and with their poor start, I didn't expect much. If Haluska gets a better shot selection, this team might actually be a threat down the road. I hope Tyler Smith sticks around for another year.

Anyway... GO BULLS!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2007 6:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I hope we
can keep Tyler for more than a few years. It's kind of scary to think how good he can be. I'm not an Alford fan but I do want the team to do well.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 6:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

not gonna make excuses
iowa won fair and square...

Yet (and these aren't excuses...only observations) 2 points at home to a depleted team on the road in the big 10 is nothing to write home about. Furthermore, I hated Izzo's end of game execution (as i usually do...the one part of his coaching i can't stand). Furthermore, once ya'll come to breslin, it's going to get bloody. i seem to recall a 30 point shalacking last year

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 7:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Miles,
I'm not bragging at all on Iowa. I've felt all along that they would struggle this year. Actually I was surprised that they won. I do hope they do better than I thought they might.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 8, 2007 10:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

the comment wasnt directed at sue
rather tyger....sorry

I felt all along that Iowa would beat MSU...winning on the road in the big 10 when you have freshman making signifcent contirbutions is such a hard thing

by milesgmsu on Jan 10, 2007 8:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting
Skiles has Deng guard Rasheed and puts Noc on Prince.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2007 7:52 PM CST   0 recs

Skiles did the same thing against Bosh.
If I remember correctly.  Makes sense, and I'm glad to see that Rasheed would still prefer to bomb threes rather than take Deng in the post.  Speaking of, damn he's good.  I'm thrilled that Deng is taking it to the basket this game along with draining the jumpers, seems like he's fallen in love with his jump shot a la Rasheed a little too much since the Posey incident.  I guess with 54% shooting, I shouldn't complain.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 6, 2007 7:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

When your groin muscle
is tied in a knot under your shorts, playing like Duhon is a miracle.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 6, 2007 8:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ah, don't be cranky Pax
I love Kirk, and that's why I get frustrated when he's having a bad stats night - it invariably leads to more of those "trade Kirk" posts that I can't stand.

And it's not just the groin, he's stuck chasing Rip all over the place!

At least he's racking up those assists to offset the 0 for 7 shooting.  :)

by wjb1492 on Jan 6, 2007 8:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why
Why did the ref blow the whistle on that inbounds pass? To tell Rip he wasn't going to call a foul? Not that I should be complaining, since Ben still hit that nice 3, but shouldn't the ref just let the play continue?

by bleargh on Jan 6, 2007 8:42 PM CST   0 recs

Weren't they inbounding the ball at the time?
I didn't think the ref actually stopped anything, just delayed the inbounds long enough to tell Rip to cut it out and let him get back on his feet.  

by wjb1492 on Jan 6, 2007 8:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What counts as possession?
If the ball is in the inbounder's hands can the ref blow the whistle like that and stop action?
I'm pretty sure the inbounder had the ball in his hands when the whistle was blown. But I could be mistaken.
Oh well, no matter. Great game....

by bleargh on Jan 6, 2007 10:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The outside referee
The outside referee blew his whistle to call a foul on Gordon. The near referee then waived him off, saying there was no foul and telling Hamilton to cut the crap.
Ye OldeBull

by OldeBull on Jan 7, 2007 12:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh
So that's what happened! Thanks for clearing that up.

by bleargh on Jan 7, 2007 12:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Deng is
awesome tonight. Noch is playing well too. Glad to see a no call between Ben and Rip.

Is it part of the Pistons training that they must complain after every call?

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 8:44 PM CST   0 recs

Sucks!!
That's two nights in a row NJ screws us!... first last night and now by losing to the Cavs... that keeps them still ahead of us by 1.5 games... T least we're taking care of business at home against Detroit!

by Goostafer on Jan 6, 2007 9:43 PM CST   0 recs

Scoreboard watching already?
I don't think we're even at the halfway point of the season!!
My girlfriend would rather be with Kirk Hinrich.

by defensive indifference on Jan 6, 2007 10:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i've been scoreboard watching
all year....

first game rooting for the sonics (or somee other shitty team) to beat the pacers is one such pathetic example

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 8:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

YES!
Nice Game! Great win!...

by Goostafer on Jan 6, 2007 9:59 PM CST   0 recs

Great win!
It seems to me that Rasheed forgot that he's supposed to show us up every time he plays comes to town.  Also, I am so happy the defense is finally living up to its billing.

Now I can get back to seeing who the Bears will be playing (assuming the Eagles whip the Giants).

My girlfriend would rather be with Kirk Hinrich.

by defensive indifference on Jan 6, 2007 9:59 PM CST   0 recs

gordon
Why was Gordon playing in garbage time? All starters were out of the game. I know Gordon's coming off the bench, but with his productivity, he shouldn't be treated like it. It sometimes feels like Skiles doesn't want him to be one of the 2 stars of the team (other being Deng).

Great game for Deng and Wallace, with some lucky breaks going Chicago's way for once.

by nas on Jan 6, 2007 10:01 PM CST   0 recs

The way things are going
The way things have gone the last couple of nights, maybe Skiles was just taking no chances of some crazy blown lead.

by bleargh on Jan 6, 2007 10:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think the opposite
I assumed Skiles let him stay in since he didn't have many minutes tonight (both halves he sat the first 8 or so minutes) and Ben could get some nice statpadding. Plus you have to keep some offense out there.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 6, 2007 10:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe
You could be right. Then again, that's partly why I have a problem with Gordon coming off the bench. While they're winning though, it's not going to change. In fact, now, I think it's pretty much set in stone.

Watching the game, I get the sense Hinrich and Gordon really don't have a feel for each other on the court. There was one play Gordon was wide open on the side, and Hinrich just kept dribbling at the top of the key looking inside. Maybe there was some thought process there I wasn't following.

by nas on Jan 6, 2007 10:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think
you're reading way too much into that play.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 10:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well
Actually, if you look at the play-by-play, Detroit took their starters out with about 5:30 or so left. Skiles then continued to play Heinrich, Wallace, and Deng for another 4 minutes or so, until the 1:45 mark. I think it's safe to say he wanted to assure a win with that move. Even the announcers noted the Pistons were waving the white flag.
He did leave Gordon in to finish the game, but Ben didn't take another shot after that.  

by bleargh on Jan 7, 2007 10:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like the end of the game
was as great as the rest of it.  I had to duck out at garbage time to watch the end of the Seattle-Dallas playoff game.  Now that one was wild!  Pretty good sports night for me - Bulls won, Seahawks won, lots of upsets in college ball - basically, I couldn't ask for more out of a Saturday.  :)

by wjb1492 on Jan 6, 2007 10:23 PM CST   0 recs

That was
a wild ending. Kind of felt sorry for Romo.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 10:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tony Romo, Professional Holder?
Maybe Bill Parcels should've let 'them' put the annointing oil on him since he's basically sucked since then.
My girlfriend would rather be with Kirk Hinrich.

by defensive indifference on Jan 6, 2007 10:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Poor Romo
People, bizarrely, love that guy. I'll never understand why he was a pro bowl player, but I still felt bad for him.
Cooler than the other side of the pillow...

by Llawred on Jan 6, 2007 10:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I did feel a little sorry for him -
I would have felt a lot more sorry if they were playing anyone else, but since that was the only way my Hawks were going to win I'm good with it.

by wjb1492 on Jan 6, 2007 10:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was glad
to see the Bulls come out with fire. Mostly I was glad to see they didn't let down in the 3rd quarter like they do sometimes. I hope tonight is the start of a new winning streak.

I love the big Ben bong sound they do when Ben W. makes a basket.

Anyone else notice Red getting his Ben's mixed up when talking about them tonight?

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 10:29 PM CST   0 recs

Yes
And it's a good thing there isn't another Ben on the floor.  He should call one the "Body" and the other B-jizzle.  Can you hear Kerr saying that?

by KT on Jan 6, 2007 10:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

lol
Kerr no but Stacy yes.
Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 6, 2007 10:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

larabee already calls him the body
I hate the chime....stolen from that shitty team on the east side of my state...The original PR release at the beginning of the year said they would use a work bell....anything other than what the palace and their equally godawful pa use

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 8:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So Far...
the bulls have proved themselves against the elites in the Eastern Conference. In years past, we won against teams below .500 and predictably lost to the elites like the Pistons and Heat. We may not have elevated ourselves to the upper echelon, but dare I say we on the periphery (just where I want us to be so that we can stay off the radar in the East).

but the media definitely will not give us due credit until we prove ourselves come playoff time. I think we have the makeup to get to the finals, but by no means beat the Western Conference opponent this year..

by NocChapu on Jan 6, 2007 11:57 PM CST   0 recs

Obviously the outcome
of this game makes me feel much better about the state of Bulls' psyche. The previous two games were heartbreaking in a way that could devastate a team for a month or so.

Sadly, we as Bulls fans are gonna have to deal with opposing team comebacks all season because: 1) all NBA teams make runs, and 2) and more importantly, the Bulls haven't learned a killer instinct yet.

Late in the game with a 16-20 point lead and the Pistons threatening a comeback, I focused on Kirk's floor game to see how his decision making would affect things. What I saw was two straight bad pass turnovers and on the next possession a woeful shot that Mugsy Bogues could have blocked.

Couple those plays with the lackadaisical Ben Gordon/ Jason Kidd steal on the inbounds the other night, and I see a need. I see a let down when things are going well, and a few more games like the Nets and Suns and the Bulls guards will         learn the hard way that they can't take plays off.

Enough bad observations...

Nocioni needed a good game after a couple weeks of down performances.

And Ben Gordon is fast becoming the go-to guy, even if he gets lost in the offense sometimes when Kirk's on the floor.

And the Detroit stigma is gone. Would Chauney have made a difference? I doubt it, not in Chicago at any rate. But now, for me, the last two losses do become moral victories because, like Matt said the other day, I feel safe saying this is a good Bulls team and I don't have to rationalize or qualify my feelings.

I think the Bulls can win the East, and the rest of the regular season will be a time for the Bulls  to fine tune their game. Beating the team from the West, now that's a different story.  

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 7, 2007 7:57 AM CST   0 recs

There were
many of the Bulls shots blocked in the first half and not all of them were shots by Kirk. Big Ben had one blocked as he went up for a dunk. Kirk may not be feeling the best yet either so his abiblity to move as free as he would like might be hampered some.

I would like to see how Ben G. plays now if he started. It seems like as soon as he comes off the bench he has 3-4 turnovers right away and then he settles in. I wonder if that would change if he started?

Thabo....the accent is sweet!!

by sue369 on Jan 7, 2007 10:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think
You're overestimating the effect of a couple of losses on professional players.  The fans and media may take a month to get over a tough loss or two, but I doubt the players care once the next game starts.  

by Moses Taylor on Jan 8, 2007 10:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

After watching games like this
I realise that the Bulls getting home court advantage in the playoffs would be HUGE. Also, part of me believes that come playoff time, Ben Wallace will be ON EVERY NIGHT.

by Option27 on Jan 7, 2007 11:13 AM CST   0 recs

15-3 at home
I don't know how skiles did it, but as the announcers have been hammering all year, he told the team that he wanted to keep home losses under 10 this year (after 21-20 last year). I'd be interested to know what or how skiles achieves this other than just stressing the importance...

now if we could play 500 on the road...

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 8:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Addressing Nocioni at 4 (and other holes?)
Hello all!  First time bloggin' here...first time ever 'bloggin' actually...more used to the message boards myself...looks nice in here

I agree, tonight was a good example of why Nocioni is not going to work--long term--as the Bulls' 4.

Even though 'Sheed finished with only 8 points on 3 of 8 shooting, it was painfully obvious how easy it could have been for 'Sheed had he consistently attacked the basket from 8' and in.  Now Rasheed Wallace is an extraordinarily 'long' forward, no question; the only problem being that Nocioni is every bit as 'small' for a 4 as Rasheed is long for a 4.

There is no question that the NBA is trending toward 4s like Wallace, not Nocioni, which only makes Nocioni less valuable as a starter in the years to come.  And with the Pistons heading to the playoffs--it would be a SHOCK if they didn't make it--Nocioni becomes that much more of a defensive liability right now, since the road to a Championship will almost certainly run through the Palace at Auburn Hills, MI.

So if you agree with that logic, then the question becomes:  Do we have the options available to properly replace Nocioni ("properly replace" meaning: must be able to play starter's minutes, not be an offensive liablitly and be a better defender) in the starting lineup?

Tyrus Thomas?  IMO, No...more capable vertcal defender yes, but an offensive liablity for sure

P.J. Brown?  There's your starter in a series against Detroit IMO, but he appears headed out of town...why we'd let that happen I have NO IDEA.  Can we count him as an option??  Doesn't seem like it.  IMO, he's the best blend of scoring and vertical defending we've got,

Malik Allen?  No thanks...might come close offensively if he's hitting his jump shot A LOT, but not really a better defender.

Victor Khryapa?  No thanks...can't call him a better defender, and CERTAINLY won't provide the scoring that Noce does.

Thabo Sefolosha?  Could go 'small'--even though he's just as tall as Noce--and go with a three guard starting 5, but now you've given up approx. 8-10 points a game without getting appreciably better defensively.  Don't think so.

Sorry I typed a NOVEL there...just don't get to talk about my Bulls much.  What are your guys' thoughts about Nocioni?  You guys think he's a keeper as a starter?  I think he'd make a terrific off-the-bench player, a guy who gives you energy, scoring, good effort on D, everything you'd want from a bench player.

Thoughts?

by Starred4Life on Jan 7, 2007 5:47 PM CST   0 recs

welcome
I agree with your last statement on why Noc is the perfect bench player.

It all depends on the timetable. I think Tyrus could be the replacement in a few years, but if they're making a title run now I don't think they can get away with a Thomas/Wallace frontcourt.

And don't forget about rebounding. PJ and Ty are the best of that group, and a big reason (among many) that 'going small' with Thabo wouldn't work.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 7, 2007 5:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noc's Defense
Noc is a capable rebounder, and great for his size. Remember, he had like 12 double doubles in a row last year...and avg'd somewhere around 8 boards (im on dial-up and not about to check). His hustle more than makes up for his lack of size. Finally, skiles is not like Mike Brown...he is a good coach. if he sees soemthing not working (noch on a long and rangy 4 for example) he'll use someone else.

Secondly, it doens't matter what the NBA is doing, if we have a system that works, good for us. Noch  as a starter, in connection with BG off the bench,  works for our team. The system with NOC starting and BG off the bench is 17-5....with Brown starting we are 3-9 (i realize there are numerous variables there, of which we have all anyalzed numerous times, but the w and l...to quote 'sheed [god i hate that nickname] "don't lie"

And why will we get rid of PJ....he's about as valuable trading chip in term of expriing contract as there is in the NBA...8 million off the books for the lucky team willing to trade us their franchise playwerrer

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 8:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nocioni rebounding
22 career double-doubles (think there's 10+ assists or turnovers in a game log somewhere?)

2006-07
8.7 REB per 40

Previous 2 seasons
8.6 REB per 40

6.1 REB Per Game Career High this season and last

Nocioni isn't the ideal power forward. Despite his superhuman, Eckstein-esque hustle, Noc doesn't drag down enough boards for consideration as the primary power forward in the long term. He's a very weak shot-blocker as well.

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 7, 2007 9:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

noch's rebounding
is solid for his size...which is what I was arguing. Obviously we would love if it noch could rebound like your average 4...but then again we have solid rebounders at 1-3 and one of the best boardsmen in the league at the 5, so i'm not worried if the numbers are down a bit at the 4...

Look at the team rebounding stats all around; we're one of ther best teams in the league at boards

by milesgmsu on Jan 10, 2007 8:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

agree a little
noce definitely is not a long-term answer at PF.  However, I don't know if it's fair to say we can't defend a Rasheed Wallace with him on the court.  I was at the game on Saturday night and what stood out to me was how awesome our help defense was.  Entry passes were hassled all game long due to the threat of the help defender.  This occured while both Deng and Noce were on a big.  Plus, there's a reason those guys shoot the lights out at the other end-the bigs can't keep up with or crowd them.
I was mightily impressed with the effort expended on defense.  For the most part, we collapsed on penetration very well, challenging shots effectively (Deng is becoming great in this regard), as mentioned before our help defense was making an impact, we were very scrappy in our man-to-man and our guards were rebounding well.  
Playing small has it's problems but we seem to manage it well.  All of our guards seem to be rebounding well.  I imagine stats might not reflect that, but it's clear when watching a game.  Obviously, Big Ben does fine hauling in boards.  Deng's also become very strong around the boards.  
Considering that I am no fan of Brown's play, I'm all for having Noce in at the 4, for now.  I agree that Thomas has to eventually step in and assume that role.  Of course, Tyrus focus his pre-game warm-up on chucking threes doesn't encourage thoughts of him as a true Power Foward.
Personally, I think Brown is one of the worst players in our rotation and I think the current state of the NBA benefits having your best players on the floor regardless of size.  This team is starting to gel and it's apparent in how they work as a unit.  I came away from that game very impressed.  If it wasn't for many questionable calls by the refs, this is a 40-point blow out.

by CookDing on Jan 8, 2007 9:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Deng was defending
Sheed because Nocioni couldn't handle him. What 'true' power forward doesn't hang around the arc?

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 8, 2007 9:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

actually agree with Paxjac
Noc looks good on D because of his hustle and willingness to take charges but he can not defend great players due to his lack of size, height, length, and speed.  Taller, bigger players can post him up and quick players can drive by him.

Noc brings good shooting and effort but he would be better off backing up the 3 and 4 spot long term.  Unfortunately I don't think Tyrus has shown anything yet that suggests he can provide better play at 4 spot.  I'm hoping Brown / Sweets can provide some size in playoffs if needed

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 8, 2007 12:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Draft
Or can I just post 'Draft topics' right here...I guess I'll go ahead...

You guys see anyone in college ball (alright, outside of Oden...sadly, I think we can let that dream go thanks to the Knicks sudden mini-resurgance) that you'd like to see the Bulls get?

I'm sure it's obvious, but I'd love to see the Bulls get an interior players, a player with post game...enough post game to get the "easy buckets" when our jump shots aren't falling.

The guy I see to fill that bill would be Spencer Hawes from Washington.  At 6'11" 235lbs, he's got the size, even though he's gonna have to add between 15-20lbs to consistently play starter's minutes in the NBA.

Kid's an Amazing passer for a big man...and with our offense (seems like we do more cutting than Princeton), a big man who's a skilled passer could be quite valuable.  Seems like it would translate into a lot of easy baskets for Deng, Thomas and Wallace.

You guys got your eyes on anyone else?

by Starred4Life on Jan 7, 2007 6:00 PM CST   0 recs

Unless it's
naked pictures of Chris Duhon, a diary would be a fine place for this. Although many will be upset when JoJo's diaries get bumped. Can the Bulls draft Coach K?

by Paxson Jackson on Jan 7, 2007 6:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

coach K
we need to get some pics of him in practice...make sure he isn't rocking the headband

by milesgmsu on Jan 7, 2007 8:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're right, I did forget rebounding
How could I have left that out?  Good call Matt, as that's (rebounding) very important to consider as well.

Yet another reason for the "furrowed brow look" when considering why we'd let P.J. walk.

IMO, if we're gonna have ANY chance of defeating the Pistons in a seven-game series, we HAVE TO HAVE P.J. Brown.

 

by Starred4Life on Jan 7, 2007 6:06 PM CST   0 recs

P.J.'s only getting moved...
If the Bulls trade for a star, likely a 4.  Otherwise he stays for the duration of the year.  So that's pretty much irrelevant.

And I'm confused about something else.  Although it's obvious to most everyone here that Nocioni is not the long term answer at the 4, last night's game when he outplayed 'Sheed by a wide margin certainly wasn't an illustration of that point.

by Eddy Currys Broken Heart on Jan 8, 2007 12:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

But I will say this...
Thabo can REBOUND for a combo guard/SG...guy has impressed me with his ability to snatch 'em amongst da trees...

by Starred4Life on Jan 7, 2007 6:08 PM CST   0 recs

San Antonio...
What are Finley's, Berry's and Bowen's contract situations? I could see Nocioni going there and being PERFECT for their situation. It's actually scary how good he'd be for them-lacking only the ability to guard the Kobe's and T-Mac's they like to put Bowen on.

by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2007 2:52 PM CST   0 recs

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